<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309</id><updated>2011-10-06T23:55:51.075+10:00</updated><category term='Master of Ceremonies'/><category term='Latin Mass'/><category term='Brisbane'/><category term='Marian Valley'/><category term='Fr Mark O&apos;keefe'/><category term='Br Peter'/><category term='MCing'/><category term='Fr John Rizzo'/><category term='Subdeacon'/><category term='Adore 2007'/><category term='&quot;reform of the reform&quot;'/><category term='Unanderra'/><category term='Australia'/><category term='High mass'/><category term='FSSP'/><category term='Biretta'/><category term='Wollongong'/><category term='The Oblate apostles of the two hearts'/><category term='Priest'/><category term='O.A.T.H.'/><category term='Queensland'/><category term='OATH. Carthusians'/><category term='Burranda'/><category term='Deacon'/><category term='Perth'/><title type='text'>Et Clamor Meus Ad Te Veniat</title><subtitle type='html'></subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><link rel='next' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default?start-index=101&amp;max-results=100'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>360</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-3409948760443851834</id><published>2011-01-08T11:00:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2011-01-08T11:58:14.937+10:00</updated><title type='text'>On Low Mass in the Extraordinary Form</title><content type='html'>On New Years Eve I attended a Low Mass in the EF. Although I have attended and served at a number of Masses in the Extradordinary Form of the Roma Rite (or using the Missal of Bl John XXIII as I prefer to call it) this was the first time that I had attended a Low Mass since I was in Rome in 2007!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Personally I think that the Low Mass is a bit of an abberation in our tradition as it has been the form that had been taken completely from its original context and many of the liturgical problems in our day stem from the fact that this was the normal Mass in parishes before Vatican II.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Firstly its origin was as a Missa Privata when more monks became priests and needed to say a daily Mass outside a Conventual Mass. By the time this had happened the concept of concelebration had obviously fallen completely out of favour. Its use expanded with the need to say increasing numbers of the Masses for the Dead or "stipend Masses". With the missionary activity after the 16th century its use became more the norm in areas of the world where the conditions and resources made these types of Masses the only feasible option. They also allowed the Mass to be "inculturated" into non-European areas through allowing locally produced hymns and songs to be played and sung and even parts of the Mass to be celebrated in the vernacular.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;More locally, the style of Mass that was seen in Australia was imported by Irish priests. Ireland came from a persecuted background where Low Masses were the only feasible Mass option. Therefore in all areas in Australia apart from Cathedrals and some larger churches, the Low Mass accompanied by the "4 hymn sandwich" was the norm.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have a copy of the St Stephens Cathedral Sunday Mass schedule (issued after evening Masses were permitted):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sundays 6,7,8,9,10am and 11am (Solemn Mass) 6.30pm and 7.45pm.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You can see that logistically 7 of those Masses were Low Masses.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Brisbane through most of the 20th century was blessed with a multiplicty of churches on the basis of (before cars) nobody should have to walk more than 5 minutes to a church. Of course there was a multiplicity of priests to cater for all the Low Masses celebrated at these suburban churches. This would be completely unsustainable today.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A related problem that is being encountered with the revival of the Missal of Bl John XXIII is that these churches were built for Low Masses, and are very difficult to celebrate a Solemn Mass or even a Missa Cantata in, due to lack of room in the sanctuaries.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When the Missal of Paul VI was introduced in stages from 1965 to 1970 the Mass was converted into English and the 4 hymn sandwich stayed. The introduction of readers and extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion (which are more of an ordinary sight than an extraordinary sight for the last 30 years) did nothing to change this state of affairs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The beauty of the Mass comes out when it is sung. Is a work that is supposed to be sung (Traditionally with a capital T) and so in some ways the Low Mass brings out the worst features of the EF and OF Masses. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For us with an interest in the Missal of Bl John XXIII, it is not a journey back to the 1950s and the vast majority dont want to go back there (I was never there in the first place). A proliferation of Low Masses would be a journey back to the 1950s and opens up the accusation that the Latin Mass revival is a nostalgia trip. It would also lead to a proliferation of bad liturgical practices both by celebrant and servers simply because when the normative Mass (ie the Solemn Mass) is celebrated, there is no experience and Low Mass abberations (such as kneeling until the Epistle) would propogate.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For a sensible way forward and for the traditional Mass revival to have the greatest amount of success, I believe that the Low Mass should fall into disuse. If a smaller kind of ceremonial is required, a Low Mass form of the Missal of Paul VI could be used. This would of course be celebrated at a High Altar ad orientem and no Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I know this posting will upset some people. I am not advocating that this form of Mass be banned, its just that I think that this is a form of Mass that has really has no future except as a Missa Privata, for priests who do not concelebrate, and is totally unsuitable as a congregational Mass. The Solemn and Sung Masses have far more opportunities for the congregation to participate in the Mass according to the vision for "actual participation" as envisioned in &lt;em&gt;Sacrosanctum Concilium&lt;/em&gt;, and therefore need to be encouraged a lot more.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-3409948760443851834?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/3409948760443851834/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=3409948760443851834&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/3409948760443851834'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/3409948760443851834'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2011/01/on-low-mass-in-extraordinary-form.html' title='On Low Mass in the Extraordinary Form'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-129832718318887590</id><published>2010-12-19T21:19:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2010-12-19T22:18:04.519+10:00</updated><title type='text'>OOps she has done it again</title><content type='html'>The latest rubbish to come from the desk of Elizabeth Harrington self styled theologian was seen in the website Liturgy News last week.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Entitled "Do we really know what we are doing?" it launches into a critique of things it considers heretical; firstly the separation of bread and wine from the Body and Blood of Christ and secondly the separation of the Eucharist and the Blessed Sacrament.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are a series of three propositions that she &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(a) At the celebration of Eucharist, the past events of the paschal mystery – Christ’s life, death and resurrection – are made present so that we become part of the story and participate in it. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That is correct although put in the language of primary school children.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;b) I have seen processions of gifts accompanied by lighted candles, smoking thurible and grand music, giving the clear impression that it is about something more than simply bringing forward bread and wine and our gifts for the poor. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am curious where she had seen such a procession as I have not ween such an event happening. The GIRM states that it is "appropriate" to have an Offertory Procession but not mandatory (GIRM 140) so I dont know why some parish has put rituals into this procession elements that are in the rubrics.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;then it gets into some really silly stuff, and this is about the Eucharistic Prayer itself. She contrasts the theology of the Middle Ages (and remember this is a mentality where "Middle Ages" is code for bad or deficient) with "current theological understanding is that the whole of the Eucharistic Prayer consecrates the gifts. During the Eucharistic Prayer we pray that the Holy Spirit will make our offerings holy, so that they may become for us the body and blood of Jesus Christ our Lord." If there is something that angers these liturgists its the "consecration".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However there is no teaching within Church documents which says that the whole of the Eucharistic Prayer is consecratory. This is merely PERSONAL OPINION. If you think that the whole of the Eucharistic Prayer is consecratory then why hasnt the Church abolished the elevations and the Memorial Acclamation and go back the rubrics during Pope Gregory the Great's time where the Eucharistic Prayer was said silently from beginning to end and then the gifts were elevated and the celebrant sang "per ommina saecula saeculorum, Amen".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The it really gets sillier, "Continued calls from some quarters for the tabernacle to be put (back) on the altar or immediately behind it demonstrate the confusion that exists between the sacrifice of the Mass and adoration of the reserved Sacrament."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yes putting back the tabernacle to a central point makes a lot of sense as Pope Paul VI said "to make it the living heart of our churches" Then she selectively quotes Pius XII to get the trad minded on side where he is supposed to have said that &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“The altar surpasses the tabernacle because on it is offered the sacrifice of the Lord. In the tabernacle, on the other hand, Christ is present as long as the consecrated species remain, without, however, offering himself perpetually.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But he also said that:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"one would be straying from the straight path were he to wish the altar restored to its primitive tableform; (Mediator Dei n 62) &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In his address to the International Congress on Pastoral Liturgy on the Liturgical Movement, Pius argued against the separation of Altar and tabernacle arguing for unity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Again Ms Harrington resorts to twisting the truth to get her ideology across. I need to find out what her age is (im sure she is a Vatican II feminist) to get an idea of when she retires and people will no longer be misinformed by this drivel.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-129832718318887590?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/129832718318887590/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=129832718318887590&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/129832718318887590'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/129832718318887590'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2010/12/oops-she-has-done-it-again.html' title='OOps she has done it again'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-8631449548958784847</id><published>2010-09-07T23:07:00.004+10:00</published><updated>2010-09-07T23:32:39.428+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Excellent example of Reform Liturgy</title><content type='html'>There is an excellent and beautiful example of reform liturgy that I found on the New Liturgical movement website. The priest seems to be very excited during the sermon.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="480" height="385"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/nzgZMwgmHLA?fs=1&amp;amp;hl=en_US"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/nzgZMwgmHLA?fs=1&amp;amp;hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-8631449548958784847?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/8631449548958784847/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=8631449548958784847&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8631449548958784847'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8631449548958784847'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2010/09/excellent-example-of-refom-liturgy.html' title='Excellent example of Reform Liturgy'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-588354277257594936</id><published>2010-09-06T21:38:00.004+10:00</published><updated>2010-09-06T22:10:49.450+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Ad Orientem - keeping the liturgy cosmic</title><content type='html'>On &lt;a href="http://liturgicalnotes.blogspot.com/2010/09/auctoritas-versus-orientem.html"&gt;Fr Hunwicke's Liturgical Notes&lt;/a&gt; there is a very good posting on what we may do with Ad orientem celebration. Ad orientem is a practice that I fully support.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The question has come up in a few places that I have served at.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For the feast Day of San Josemaria we celebrated in a church in Brisbane which has a fine High Altar and a stone freestanding table Altar in front of it. However, the congregation faces directly westward. The last 2 solemn Masses I MC'd there we had the Liturgy of the Eucharist celebrated on the freestanding Altar, with this Altar decorated with an Altar Cross and 4 candles, with the High Altar having the full six tall candles lit. It looked very nice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A friend suggested that we should celebrate Ad Orientem. Fine I say, but the priest is then NOT looking East towards the rising sun streaming in through the East doors but a wall facing West. The other thing is that if the priest celebrates facing West (oriented towards a liturgical "East") does he celebrate at the freestandig table or the old High Altar? My thinking is that he should celebrate at the High Altar.,as celebrating at a table at the foot of the High Altar would look silly. This presents another problem. In the Modern Roman Rite, the Offertory prayers and the Eucharistic Prayer are celebrated aloud to be intelligible to the congregation so rightfully the High Altar should be miked which it isnt. Therefore until the technological barriers are overcome, the best solution is to continue to celebrate at the table Altar (properly decorated with a central cross) facing East.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have a similar problem at another church. This one is of a traditional Roman Basilica plan and with the front door facing North East and the apse facing South West. It has a freestanding stone Altar only, but with a giant wooden crucifix at the centre of the apse. As much as I would like to get the priest to celebrate Ad Orientem, this also present difficulties. Should I arrange the Altar to have the priest facing the cross, but keeping him facing SouthWest, or having him face towards the East but with the cross behind him? The Altar is decorated with four candlesticks and a central Altar Cross (I used to have 6 but I find on many Altars they are simply too small and the Altar then gets crowded by candles which take away from the central aspect of the Altar as the resting place for the Body and Blood of Christ - 4 is often a good balance).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For the moment I have kept it to having the priest facing East (actually North East), and I am of an open mind to get him to face the other way (if a priest is indeed amenable and sufficiently educated liturgically to understand what he is doing), but I am keen to have a Modern rite Mass to see what the feel of an oriented liturgy with the priest and congregation face the same direction actually is like.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-588354277257594936?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/588354277257594936/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=588354277257594936&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/588354277257594936'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/588354277257594936'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2010/09/ad-orientem-keeping-liturgy-cosmic.html' title='Ad Orientem - keeping the liturgy cosmic'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-8864211783904755523</id><published>2010-09-04T16:30:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2010-09-04T16:39:25.961+10:00</updated><title type='text'>New Friends</title><content type='html'>I have placed a link on the blog to another blog of a priest of the Cistercian Abbey of Heilgenkreuz Abbey in Austria. This is an Abbey that could be rightly considered Reform-of-the-Reform. You can get some ideas of their liturgies &lt;a href="http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2008/04/beautiful-images-from-heiligenkreuz.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2010/08/ordinations-at-heiligenkreuz.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. Check out on this site also the link to Sub Tuum, the blog of Br Stephen at the Cistercian Abbey of Spring Bank.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-8864211783904755523?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/8864211783904755523/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=8864211783904755523&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8864211783904755523'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8864211783904755523'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2010/09/new-friends.html' title='New Friends'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-7104641015390643489</id><published>2010-08-29T22:42:00.005+10:00</published><updated>2010-08-29T23:06:03.337+10:00</updated><title type='text'>New title picture</title><content type='html'>After travelling through Latin America where most of the liturgies made things in Australia look good, I happened to be in Medellin in Colombia (drug and fashion capital of Latin America) where the Mass was totally Reform of the Reform. The 12 Noon Mass was celebrated by the Archbishop of Medellin Arzobispo Señor Ricardo Antonio Tobo'n Restrepo, assisted by two deacons in Roman Dalmatics, one assistant presbyter, and servers. Unlike most liturgies in Colombia which are all happy-clappy Hillsong style, this had a single cantor in the Choir singing in a vernacular chant (in Spanish of course). There was a Confirmation with one single boy who sat in choir.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Although the Eucharistic prayer was celebrated versus populum, the other parts of the liturgy pertaining to the Altar were celebrated ad-orientem, and if there was the desire to celebrate that way it certainly could be done. Other key things to note were:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;the Ciborium Magnum over the High Altar&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;the Archbishop's throne in its original position&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;the original High Altar, which for this Mass was adorned by 7 candlesticks, being for this Mass celebrated by the ordinary, placed at the back of it&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;Deacons proclaiming the Word (no lay people reading)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;the ringing of the bells; not only the bells within the sanctuary being rung 4 times at each elevation (three at the elevation and once at the genuflection) but also the outside bells in the bell towers to proclaim to the city that the sacrifice had been made&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;male only servers&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;no communion in the hand (with some members of the congregation kneeling at the Communion rails to receive)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can see what the outside of the church looks like here. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5510816497040333682" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 400px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 300px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/THpaaBBzm3I/AAAAAAAAASs/9aDdYdV__Tc/s400/IMGP1282.JPG" border="0" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;I have therefore made the interior shot the master pic to be more symbolic of the reform-of-the-reform ideal.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-7104641015390643489?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/7104641015390643489/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=7104641015390643489&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/7104641015390643489'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/7104641015390643489'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2010/08/new-title-picture.html' title='New title picture'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/THpaaBBzm3I/AAAAAAAAASs/9aDdYdV__Tc/s72-c/IMGP1282.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-3650119945425766335</id><published>2010-08-29T22:20:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2010-08-29T22:32:21.087+10:00</updated><title type='text'>St Augustine and the Confessions</title><content type='html'>One of my favourite books is "The Confessions" by St Augustine. It is particularly relevant as it speaks to our own age as late Roman societiy was heavily urbanised, family structures were breaking down and co-habitation was commonplace as it is in our own day.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For the feast of St Augustine (28 August) someone in Italy has put together a comic-book deptiction of his life which you can find &lt;a href="http://xoomer.virgilio.it/sant_agostino/index.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. I found it interesting that &lt;a href="http://the-hermeneutic-of-continuity.blogspot.com/"&gt;Fr Finigan &lt;/a&gt;wanted some edits to some pages that he obviously thought were too racy such as &lt;a href="http://xoomer.virgilio.it/sant_agostino/agostino_sensualita.htm"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. Well I reckon why not? This shows more truly the struggle we have between pagan sensuality that we are so addicted to and the real deal with our souls, that is to live lives of holiness and oriented to God - our origin and destination.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-3650119945425766335?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/3650119945425766335/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=3650119945425766335&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/3650119945425766335'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/3650119945425766335'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2010/08/st-augustine-and-confessions.html' title='St Augustine and the Confessions'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-4079569863565799480</id><published>2010-08-10T21:01:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2010-08-10T22:16:15.270+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Holy Communion</title><content type='html'>One of the things that have been considered as one of the abuses or degeneration in the Roman Rite has been the re-introduction of receiving Holy Communion in the hand rather than the tongue in the early 1970s after being out of use for 1600 years (at least in the diocese of Rome).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I always had a problem with Communion in the hand as it was introduced by the protestant reformers in the 16th century to push people away from a belief in the Real Presence. Then why did it get introduced into the Catholic Church 400 years later? Was it also to signify a rejection of belief in the 1970s?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The story of how a disobedient and illegal practice became the norm has been well documented on other websites. But what is done is done and I do not see Bishops trying to put the genie back in the bottle for a very long time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Recently I was MC at a Solemn Mass to celebrate the Feast Day of St Josemaria Escriva and ended up assisting the celebrant at the distribution of Holy Communion. People received on the tongue kneeling, on the tongue standing and in the hand standing. I really did not see any difference in outward disposition and reverence between the various ways of receiving, so that any prejudices that I had about the available styles of receiving in the Roman Church faded.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The important things are that the Communicant is in a State of grace and that the rubrics of the Church are followed ie. that before receiving standing, whether in the hand or on the tongue, a bow or a genuflection is done to honour the Real Presence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now you might say dear reader "this is all wrong" Communion in the hand leads to abuses and people taking the hosts away etc. This is true, which means all the more that Communion needs to be more tightly policed where it is offered in the hand. However, I recall a scene from the movie "El Crimen de Padre Amaro" where one of the communicants receives (in many places in Latin America Communion on the tongue is still the norm), then spits out the host into her Missal and takes it home to feed the cats!!!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So what is good practice? Well I think that best practice would be that you still have servers standing with Communion Plates for people who wish to receive on the tongue but need to be there to make sure that people consume the host there. Secondly, you need to minimise the number of extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion. I know of cases of sacrilege that occurs in a major city Cathedral due to poor training or poor catechism of these people. One wonders whether some of them hold heretical beliefs about the Holy Eucharist.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally it is important to point out that no priest has the right to forbid a practice that has been authorised by the church. At the same cathedral it is official policy to refuse Holy Communion to people kneeling. I do know of one priest who not only did that but also threatened the communicant on the spot with legal action if she complained to the authorities.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One final comment, there has been attempts by various "liturgists" to get people to sing a hymn at Holy Communion in going up to receive. As well in some American parishes "liturgists" make the congregation stand through the whole part of this liturgy, so kneeling down at the end for thanksgiving is simply not allowed. We have seen the first practice to emerge but I notice that people see the futility of the exersize, but I havent (thankfully) seen the latter emerge in Australia.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-4079569863565799480?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/4079569863565799480/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=4079569863565799480&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/4079569863565799480'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/4079569863565799480'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2010/08/holy-communion.html' title='Holy Communion'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-2544711410202641480</id><published>2010-08-02T21:21:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2010-08-02T22:36:13.133+10:00</updated><title type='text'>The Reform of the Reform what is it?</title><content type='html'>&lt;div&gt;This blog will be now devoted to the Reform of the Reform as 1. I most commonly serve the solemn form of the ordinary form (OF) of the Roman Rite and 2. there are enough blogs focussing on the Extraordinary Form.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;There is a good article on the &lt;a href="http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/#843478178232352680"&gt;New Liturgical Movement&lt;/a&gt; describing the various forms of the Reform-of-the-Reform movement. There are 2 main camps 1. those that see the 1962 Missal as the starting point and 2. those who see the 1970 Missal as the starting point.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;3 years after Summorum Pontificum, we see more flexibility in the EF and opportunities to be celebrated but it has not exactly caught on like wildfire. Locally it simply has meant that pre-existing traditionalist communities now have the opportunity to attend weekday Masses as well as a Sunday Mass in the older form, but the movement has certainly not spread to other parishes. This is a due to largely to an attitude that the OF is "good enough for us" and the lack of priests with the skills and interest in serving the older form. With the church being controlled by people who were around at Vatican II, there is a lot of hostility towards this form. This will die off as that generation dies off but it will take a long time.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;I follow the second school of thought - of the Mass of 1970 being the starting point. As Bishop Elliot remarked at the Altar Server Conference in Melbourne in January 2008 it is about "reconnecting the reform with the tradition". There is nothing doctrinally unsound in the OF Mass; some elements may be submerged in it but that is the same as the EF Mass. Although there was a certain amount of "Modern thinking" rather than Modernism (Elliot: Jan 2008) in the Novus Ordo Missae, it reflects the faith expressed in the Catechism.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;So we start from what is the problem and then how do we re-align it so that it reflects better our real relationship to God.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;The first issue is that society has lost all sense of liturgy. You just see how people behave at Weddings and Baptisms, they really have no idea. - and these are "Catholics"!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;This has been exacerbated by the idea of liturgy being defined as the "work of the people" when &lt;em&gt;liturgia&lt;/em&gt; is actually &lt;strong&gt;public work&lt;/strong&gt; ie. a type of public service undertaken by a certain individual ot individuals to provide a service to the community such as repairing the city walls or rebuilding a road. Much of the modern "liturgists" are to blame for this. Therefore if it is a work of the people it means that the liturgy reflects their preoccupations and can be changed to suit their needs.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;Modern Man sees himself as the "measure of all things" and so unfortunately modern liturgy reflects this. You see that the altar in many Catholic churches has been reduced to a table that is on the same level as the people so that they can "gather" around it.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5500788722930842018" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 384px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 319px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/TFa6MvbEeaI/AAAAAAAAASM/tH0I8AGxJcU/s400/Sanctuary.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;All of this speaks of a God who is "not great" and who is only as good as us.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The OF Liturgy ought to be a simplification of its father the EF Liturgy in the rites and length of prayers as well as be more easily understandable. and in many ways the intentions failed, in that it provides for a different set of complications. It needs to reflect the sobriety and gravitas of the Roman Liturgy.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;In short it needs not revision , but simply re-orientation back towards God and not to the people.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-2544711410202641480?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/2544711410202641480/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=2544711410202641480&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/2544711410202641480'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/2544711410202641480'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2010/08/reform-of-reform-what-is-it.html' title='The Reform of the Reform what is it?'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/TFa6MvbEeaI/AAAAAAAAASM/tH0I8AGxJcU/s72-c/Sanctuary.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-5983561675297129266</id><published>2010-07-10T22:43:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2010-07-10T22:56:34.095+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments</title><content type='html'>AS part of my break away I note that there are a number of fresh comments that I have only published today.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In response to Fr Ronan Kilgannon I respond that I do not disparage the ordinary Form of the Roman Rite, in fact that is the form that I ordinarily assist. The post does show the extreme sensitivity in which these matters are dealt with - not through logic but through emotion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The reality is that many of the liturgies in our parishes have degenerated into mutual admiration "eulogies" within a closed group of people, with God being a presence from the sidelines.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is no desire to institute the 1962 form of the Mass in every parish. It was always seen that the post &lt;em&gt;Summorum Pontificum&lt;/em&gt; period would see some growth in the use of 1962 Roman Missal, but this is off a small base and it would always serve a small constituency. But given this freedom, and the principle of the Hermeneutic of Continuity the Ordinary Form of the Roman Missal needs to be critically examined in the FORMS of its practice and its return to a form of worship that it was intended to be.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-5983561675297129266?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/5983561675297129266/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=5983561675297129266&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/5983561675297129266'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/5983561675297129266'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2010/07/comments.html' title='Comments'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-5397733366995616871</id><published>2010-07-10T22:23:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2010-07-10T22:30:24.988+10:00</updated><title type='text'>I am back!!!</title><content type='html'>yes&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Following an intensive 6 months away it is time I started blogging again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have a number of fresh ideas that I need to communicate plus after the last 6 months experience I want this blog to focus on the reform-of-the-reform.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have realised that there are enough blogs that focus on the Exraordinary Form of the Roman Rite but very few that focus on the ordinary form. I think that there is a gap to be filled.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In addition there needs to be blog that refutes the misinformation that some commentators such as Ms Elizabeth Harrington of the Brisbane Archdiocese puts on the Liturgical Commissin website and publishes in the Catholic Leader.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So here goes - a fully refreshed blog.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-5397733366995616871?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/5397733366995616871/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=5397733366995616871&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/5397733366995616871'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/5397733366995616871'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2010/07/i-am-back.html' title='I am back!!!'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-7612979682572966012</id><published>2009-12-04T12:52:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2009-12-04T13:35:52.634+10:00</updated><title type='text'>More Comments on the 40th anniversary of the Novus Ordo Mass</title><content type='html'>To continue on the dicussion, we move on further with content.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We posted before on the key changes desired by &lt;em&gt;Sancrosanctum Concilium&lt;/em&gt;, namely:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;a wider range of readings&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;restoration of prayers of the faithful&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;greater importance of the homily&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;simplification of the rites&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;more opportunities to use the vernacular (but emphasising the importance of Latin)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Potential for concelebration&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Potential for Communion under both kinds.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;All of these aspects have been achieved, although I think that it has failed on the rites being simplified as these have been supplanted by a muktiplicity of prayer  options. To go from one Eucharistic Prayer to 12 in my view is a simplification. Possibly the symbolism of concelebration and Communion under both kinds has been overplayed.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Other aspects that are the bane of many commentators such as removal of Communion rails, Communion standing, extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion, and female Altar servers simply were not contemplated by the Council fathers and came in much later, and spasmodically.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;On reading the General Instruction on the Roman Missal, and comparing it to the Tridentine Missae Rubricae, and the Anglican Book of Commoin Prayer, there is one large difference: the reorientation of the priest from one who leads the church's prayer (as seen in both the documents of the reformers of bother the Protestant and Catholic Reformations) to the idea of the priest "presiding over the community" and acting as some sort of chairman or MC.  &lt;strong&gt;This is  the fundamental flaw in the Novus Ordo Missae.&lt;/strong&gt; It is from this aspect that we have problems with the liturgy serving the priest's ego, and the discussion on proper or improper orientation of Altars, and other aspects whihc have been liturgical problems over the years.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Where did this come from? The origins come from a "restoration" based upon achaeology in the 1960's whihc has since been debunked (ie. Mass "facing the people"), and an attempt to remove the differences between a Pontifical Solemn Mass from the Throne and other types of Mass. This was done by emphasising the idea that the priest is deputising for the bishop and therefore needs his own "throne".&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The best way of course to remove this is to have the priests chair not face the people, and be restored to its more natural place on the Epistle side of the Altar facing North. This is made more effective by having an eastward oriented Altar.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Facing each other in a closed circle to talk to each other is not the essential thing that makes participation by the faithful effective. This simple reorientation is probably more effective than having a crucifix on the Altar or what is beginning to be fashionable in some cirlces of loading the Altar with heaps of candles in the attempt of reorientation.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-7612979682572966012?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/7612979682572966012/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=7612979682572966012&amp;isPopup=true' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/7612979682572966012'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/7612979682572966012'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/12/more-comments-on-40th-anniversary-of.html' title='More Comments on the 40th anniversary of the Novus Ordo Mass'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-8809167678297778567</id><published>2009-12-04T12:24:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2009-12-04T12:52:12.088+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Reflections on the 40th anniversary of the "Novus Ordo" Mass</title><content type='html'>On the 40th anniversary of the promulgation of the Novus Ordo Mass there have been a few comments around the blogosphere. fr Z at &lt;a href="http://wdtprs.com/blog/2009/12/podcazts-on-the-40th-anniversary-of-the-novus-ordo/"&gt;WDTPRS&lt;/a&gt; has done a set of 3 podcasts which are well worth listening to.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Aftyer listening to these podcasts there are a number of things which come up in my mind. The first and which is more stark is that Paul VI did not seem to be confident about the reforms. This comes through in the addresses. It seems that he shares the annoyance and sadness of the changes with his audience, but is willing to accept the sacrifice as this was the will of the church as guided by the Holy Spirit through the Second Vatican Council.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The second aspect is the acceptance that the changes appear to be irreversable. This is an experiment to deepen the spiritual life of the church but there is no going back. There seems to be an acceptance that the older forms of the Roman Rite have gone forever (whihc of course they havent). He knows that he is moving into high risk territory here but is confident that the Holy Spirit will work things out.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some of the comments are interesting in the light of 40 years. He suggests in his general audience speech that maybe people lost their appreciation of the Mass, and changes would break them out of their lethargy. In hindsight this was true - people got a new appreciation of aspects of the Mass, but also led to aspects which led to some extreme views on both sides of the debate.  However, the great gift is that without these changes we would never have had the discussion and research into both forms of the Mass now that the 1962 Missal has been liberated by Benedict XVI.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There has been also discussions on the motivations for Bugnini et al with the changes. From what I read was that there were some positions held in the Consilium which were protestant in origin but that the Pope actaully reined in the Consilium so that the end product was at least catholic, and had moved from its earlier draft (which apparently wanted to remove the Kyrie and Gloria and the Orate fratres). Like everything done by a committee whihc then gets signed off by the CEO, there are a lot of changes along the way. This is something that hard-core traditionalists and conspiracy theorists dont get.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So in the light of the last 40 years truly the spirit moves in mysterious ways. People just want it to move in the way that they want - immediately.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-8809167678297778567?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/8809167678297778567/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=8809167678297778567&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8809167678297778567'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8809167678297778567'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/12/reflections-on-40th-anniversary-of.html' title='Reflections on the 40th anniversary of the &quot;Novus Ordo&quot; Mass'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-6504351454077722352</id><published>2009-10-20T21:18:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2009-10-20T21:25:29.055+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Returning to blogging</title><content type='html'>Sorry for the silence but I have felt unable to blog for some time, due to work and general exhaustion. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I found some interesting comments from the &lt;a href="http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2009/10/in-utroque-usu-deeper-understanding-of.html"&gt;New Liturgical Movement&lt;/a&gt; about celebrating using the Missal of Bl John XXIII for the first time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As a "usus utroque" server I found the following points particularly relevant&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;....it seems that it is both a reminder and an aid which helps to foster, inculcate or re-emphasize a sense of our Roman liturgical culture -- and that is a thing of broad value.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;I asked Fr. Johnson about his own experience of this moment and the training leading up to it; "I believe I'm hooked for life" was his response. Digging a little deeper, he noted the great deal of prayer and preparation which he made for taking this step, burying himself within the liturgical texts and ceremonies. He continued, "what the study of the EF [Extraordinary Form] of the Holy Roman Liturgy accomplished, was to help me develop a deeper understanding of the traditions of the Roman Liturgy, in general, and to understand more clearly where the Ordinary Form received its development."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-6504351454077722352?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/6504351454077722352/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=6504351454077722352&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/6504351454077722352'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/6504351454077722352'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/10/returning-to-blogging.html' title='Returning to blogging'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-5158328510614553855</id><published>2009-07-15T20:55:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2009-07-15T21:11:06.831+10:00</updated><title type='text'>ACSA Conference 2009</title><content type='html'>The Australian Catholic Students Association had their annual conference in Brisbane last weekend. Here is a video of their concluding Mass on Sunday held at St Ignatius Church Toowong, which was a Solemn Pontifical Mass in the Ordinary Form. Its good that the reform-of-the-reform Mass is making its appearance in some places in Brisbane.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/ffpwyf2gNE8&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1&amp;amp;"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ffpwyf2gNE8&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1&amp;amp;" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It was good that the real Altar was used not the &lt;a href="http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/10/call-to-holiness-mass.html"&gt;communion table &lt;/a&gt;used for the ACCC conference. When I asked about the communion table being used at the time I was told that the congregation would get upset if it was removed. Things are changing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I managed to make it to the Friday night Mass at Duchesne College chapel at University of Queensland which was a Missa cantata in the Extradordinary Form - and what a beautiful Mass it was. The strong participation by the congregation in the chants and responses showed that the myth that there was no participation in the pre-Vatican II Mass exactly that - a myth. In fact I think that I particiapated in the sacred mysteries more fully than in many ordinary form Masses in English.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-5158328510614553855?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/5158328510614553855/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=5158328510614553855&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/5158328510614553855'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/5158328510614553855'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/07/acsa-conference-2009.html' title='ACSA Conference 2009'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-8871721088390317807</id><published>2009-06-26T22:10:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2009-06-26T22:20:30.628+10:00</updated><title type='text'>St Josemaria</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SkS7l5qVw7I/AAAAAAAAARs/Bby7bG557EI/s1600-h/Josemaria.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5351608517030953906" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 321px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 400px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SkS7l5qVw7I/AAAAAAAAARs/Bby7bG557EI/s400/Josemaria.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;Today is the feast day of St Josemaria. We had a great solemn Mass in Brisbane for his feastday last night.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;A recommendation to those of you who have long working hours like myself, should remember that "this is your sanctification". Im sure that that this is something that St Josemaria would have said in reply to a disciple saying "my boss is so demanding and I need to put in absurd hours". &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-8871721088390317807?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/8871721088390317807/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=8871721088390317807&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8871721088390317807'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8871721088390317807'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/06/st-josemaria.html' title='St Josemaria'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SkS7l5qVw7I/AAAAAAAAARs/Bby7bG557EI/s72-c/Josemaria.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-4130578584209093876</id><published>2009-06-17T23:04:00.006+10:00</published><updated>2009-06-17T23:53:31.306+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Corpus Christi - from Toledo, Spain</title><content type='html'>&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5348283871902494290" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 400px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 300px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/Sjjr2Fay7lI/AAAAAAAAARU/i1YYOMHPYMw/s400/Picture+164.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;When I was in Toledo, the primatial see within Spain, a couple of years ago I visited the Cathedral, which is one of the larger in Europe. Here is the sanctuary, with its large rood screen. Note also the two pulpits, characteristic of Spanish churches: one for the Epistle and one of the Gospel. I assume that the Epistle and Gospel were read facing outwards. I would not say towards the congregation because where the congregation would have stood and knelt would have been outside the choir. The rest of the choir is actually behind those people you see sitting in the foreground. It is a closed off area protected by a similar iron screen. This is where the archbishops throne and the stalls for the Cathedral canons are located. The Archbishops throne directly faces the Sanctuary in line with the High Altar.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;Here is the High Altar with its reredos, over 10 metres high. Similar to other Cathedrals in Spain, the Altar has been moved away from the reredos, and an archbishops throne placed in the middle facing where someone thought that the people should be. This results in the ridiculous situation where there are two thrones in the Choir facing each other. Hopefully this can be corrected someday. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5348286492675263250" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 400px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 300px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SjjuOojtyxI/AAAAAAAAARc/yoIurxDsa-0/s400/Picture+160.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;The Monstrance that we saw in the Cathedral Sacristry, was over 3 metres high and is either lifted by a team of 8 to 10 men or wheeled around on a trolley. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5348293083316754930" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 300px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 400px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/Sjj0OQnGGfI/AAAAAAAAARk/DwbmV3xfIrA/s400/Picture+166.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Anyway I was please to discover a couple of You-tubes of last week's procession, which brings the feel of the bulilding all to life. With the applause (which has a different meaning to the English speaking world), the rose petals from the roof, the bells, and the general exuburance - how different to our boring minimalist approach in Australia where Corpus Christi is basically ignored, at least in my part of the country. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div align="center"&gt;VIVA EL CHRISTO REY!!!!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Here the monstrance is borne into the Cathedral. It looks as if they came through the South transept door, whihc is actually the main entrance off the street.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/SPYTqFHL7nw&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1&amp;amp;"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/SPYTqFHL7nw&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1&amp;amp;" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;And the monstrance being carried into the sanctuary.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/27YFLqzMWFM&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1&amp;amp;"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/27YFLqzMWFM&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1&amp;amp;" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-4130578584209093876?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/4130578584209093876/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=4130578584209093876&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/4130578584209093876'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/4130578584209093876'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/06/corpus-christi-from-toledo-spain.html' title='Corpus Christi - from Toledo, Spain'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/Sjjr2Fay7lI/AAAAAAAAARU/i1YYOMHPYMw/s72-c/Picture+164.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-8030499299735978771</id><published>2009-06-16T20:51:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2009-06-16T21:58:57.987+10:00</updated><title type='text'>The Ordines Romani</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SjeIi5VsUWI/AAAAAAAAARM/jyDXq0K16rc/s1600-h/4thCPolaCasket.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5347893215614488930" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 400px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 330px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SjeIi5VsUWI/AAAAAAAAARM/jyDXq0K16rc/s400/4thCPolaCasket.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;Often we hear arguments about what was the authentic form of the Mass taken from hsistory and tradition. Is it the Extraordinary Form (the Roman Rite according to the books used at the Second Vatican Council) as celebrated in some areas, or the Ordinary Form developed following the Council (sometimes called the &lt;em&gt;Novus Ordo&lt;/em&gt;?).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Like everything its about going back to the sources. Most "liturgists" hang onto St Justin Martyr's account of Mass being celebrated in the second century AD. However, we know that the Mass in both the Eastern and Western parts of the Roman Empire went through a considerable state of flux subsequent to this. Justins account is very brief so it does not give very much of a flavour of what went on.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;This is why a series of documents called the &lt;em&gt;Ordines Romani&lt;/em&gt; become important because they not only outline what was said in liturgies but also what people did in the liturgy. The Ordines Romani were a series of documents with the first ordo (Ordo I) believed to have been written before the end of the seventh century AD, and final set written by the 15th century. We will focus on Ordo I with some reference to a 9th century AD ordo - Ordo III. The purpose of these ordo's seem to be as a guide to what was done in at a Solemn Pontifical Mass in Rome for people who wanted to learn liturgy but could not travel there. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;What I intend to do in the next few weeks (God willing) is briefly go through the various elements of the Ordo Romanus, because I do not think that a comparison with both of the modern forms (1962 and 1970 missals) have been done. What it shows clearly, is that the Ordo of the original Roman Rite contains elements of both and truly is the father of both. Conversely neither can lay claim to be doing "what the early Christians did", which often is an obsession of liturgists these days. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The other thing with the Ordo is that it shows up the reason for some obscure practices in our modern liturgies, so this little study should inform the tradition. Some pics from visits of actual churches and basilicas where these ceremonies were enacted give a bit of the flavour.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-8030499299735978771?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/8030499299735978771/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=8030499299735978771&amp;isPopup=true' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8030499299735978771'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8030499299735978771'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/06/ordines-romani.html' title='The Ordines Romani'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SjeIi5VsUWI/AAAAAAAAARM/jyDXq0K16rc/s72-c/4thCPolaCasket.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-935923919562951727</id><published>2009-06-07T22:34:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2009-06-07T23:30:40.991+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Who were the Deaconesses?</title><content type='html'>With the discussion last week as to deaconesses and the question of legitimacy, I though that I would take the opportunity to explore deaconesses in the early church.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My source is the &lt;a href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04651a.htm"&gt;Catholic Encyclopedia&lt;/a&gt;, although I have taken out some of the bias that the 1907 writers put into the discussion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It was an ordained ministry.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;From the 4th century Apostolic Constitutions (a document whihc is Roman but seeme to have some eastern elements in it:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;Concerning a deaconess, I, Bartholomew enjoin O Bishop, thou shalt lay thy hands upon her with all the Presbytery and the &lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;Deacons&lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt; and the Deaconesses and thou shalt say: Eternal God, the Father of Our Lord Jesus Christ, the creator of man and woman, that didst fill with the Spirit Mary and Deborah, and Anna and Huldah, that didst not disdain that thine only begotten Son should be born of a woman; Thou that in the tabernacle of witness and in the temple didst appoint women guardians of thy holy gates: Do thou now look on this thy handmaid, who is appointed unto the office of a Deaconess and grant unto her the Holy Spirit, and cleanse her from all pollution of the flesh and of the spirit, that she may worthily accomplish the work committed unto her, to thy glory and the praise of thy Christ.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Catholic Encyclopedia discusses the fact that bishops in the early church did argue themselves as to whether this was an ordained ministry or not, and refers to some obscure councils the opinion that it was not an ordained ministry. The EC's arguments are not all that strong.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;What did they do?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The primary purpose of the Deaconesses was in the era of segregation of worship, with a separate mens and womens section in the church. Therefore their roles were:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;the instruction and baptism of catechumens&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;guarding the doors and maintaining order amongst those of their own sex in the church, &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;acting as intermediaries between the clergy and the women of the congregation.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;They may have also functioned as Ministers of Holy Communion to the womens section of the church but I have not found any evidence for this.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;However, the Apostolic Constitutions make it clear that "the deaconess gives no blessing, she fulfills no function of priest or deacon", So in Rome at least, their role was very different from the Deacon. For instance they did not minister at the Altar assisting the priest like a Deacon nor did they read the Gospel, sing the &lt;em&gt;Ite Missa Est,&lt;/em&gt; or preach a homily.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;However, we do hear that in the churches of Syria and Asia, of them presiding over assemblies of women, reading the Epistle and Gospel, distributing the Blessed Eucharist to nuns, lighting the candles, burning incense in the thuribles, adorning the sanctuary, and anointing the sick. This seemed to be regarded as an abuse which ecclesiastical legislation soon repressed.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;If they did not function as a deacon did they have any role in the Liturgy?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Its difficult to determine where they had a place in the liturgy. A document called "Testament of Our Lord" (c. 400), &lt;strong&gt;widows&lt;/strong&gt; had a place in the sanctuary during the celebration of the liturgy, they stood at the anaphora behind the presbyters, they communicated after the deacons, and before the readers and subdeacons, and they had a charge of, or superintendence over the deaconesses.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It is recorded that in the time of Justinian (d. 565) at the Basilica of St. Sophia in Constantinople the staff consisted of &lt;strong&gt;sixty priests&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;strong&gt;one hundred deacons&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;strong&gt;forty deaconesses&lt;/strong&gt;, and &lt;strong&gt;ninety subdeacons&lt;/strong&gt;. However, I cannot see any reference to them in any of the Roman legislation from the same period. One exception is the the ninth Ordo Romanus mentions,  &lt;em&gt;feminae diaconissae et presbyterissae quae eodem die benedicantur&lt;/em&gt;. Diaconissae are also mentioned in the procession of Leo III in the ninth century &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;When did they die out?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The ministry seemed to have died out when just about everyone was Christian and adult baptism had practically died out. Balsamon, Patriarch of Antioch about A.D. 1070 states that deaconesses in any proper sense had ceased to exist in the Church though the title was borne by certain nuns while Matthew Blastares (c 14th cent) said that by the the tenth century that the civil legislation (presumably that of the eastern Roman Empire) concerning deaconesses, which ranked them rather among the clergy than the laity had then been abandoned or forgotten. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The only surviving relic of the ordination of deaconesses in the West (and this may have disappeared after Vatican II) was the conferring of a stole and maniple to Carthusian nuns in the ceremony of their profession. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Could they be revived?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The short answer is probably not as the need for the role has disappeared (men and women worship together and there is no modesty issues around baptism) and laity (whether men or women) can provide leadership in these areas. It needs to be kept in mind that the role was never an Altar ministry. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;All this been said, it gives an interesting overview to the fact that the Church saw it as an ordained ministry, and that ordination to specific non priestly roles could be opened to everyone.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-935923919562951727?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/935923919562951727/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=935923919562951727&amp;isPopup=true' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/935923919562951727'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/935923919562951727'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/06/who-were-deaconesses.html' title='Who were the Deaconesses?'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-229903218360484012</id><published>2009-05-31T16:00:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2009-05-31T17:44:18.175+10:00</updated><title type='text'>St Marys abuses spreading?</title><content type='html'>Australia's capital cities have been celebrating joint Anglican and Roman Catholic initiatives at different times and in the main this is good to see. Different Anglican and Catholic churches have hosted clergy from the other church and the practice (as was done most recently at the &lt;a href="http://vimeo.com/4774929"&gt;installation of Archbishop Nichols &lt;/a&gt;at Westminster), is to have the clergy of the guest church in choir and having all the rights of clergy in choir (including being incensed separately to the celebrant(s).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, today, in a Catholic Cathedral a Mass was celebrated in which an Anglican Deaconess processed with the Gospel book and proclaimed the Gospel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the Mass the Gospel is always proclaimed by an ordained Minister and the role of this is the Deacon and if a deacon is not available, the Celebrant (GIRM (Australian version) n59)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Whoever authorised this obviously does not understand that the Bull &lt;a href="http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_le13ac.htm"&gt;Apostolicae Curae &lt;/a&gt;promulgated by Pope Leo XIII on 15 September 1896 still applies, and that declares:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;We pronounce and declare that ordinations carried out according to the Anglican rite have been, and are, absolutely null and utterly void.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In addition, these women are not even recognised universally in their own church (eg Anglican Archdiocese of Sydney).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Respondum in relation to the declaration &lt;a href="http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000806_dominus-iesus_en.html"&gt;Dominus Jesus &lt;/a&gt; of the Solemnity of Sts Peter and Paul 2007 states:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;Why do the texts of the Council and those of the Magisterium since the Council not use the title of “Church” with regard to those Christian Communities born out of the Reformation of the sixteenth century?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;According to Catholic doctrine, these Communities do not enjoy apostolic succession in the sacrament of Orders, and are, therefore, deprived of a constitutive element of the Church. These ecclesial Communities which, specifically because of the absence of the sacramental priesthood, have not preserved the genuine and integral substance of the Eucharistic Mystery &lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;cannot, according to Catholic doctrine, be called “Churches” in the proper sense.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; What we had here is an abuse of the St Marys South Brisbane kind in which what is essentially a layperson proclaiming the gospel, and this done within a major city Cathedral in which people in charge are supposed to know better. It gives people the impression that we are in communion when we are not. I am sure that some members of the congregation were scandalised by it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This was foisted upon the congregation without any warning, probably because of &lt;a href="http://coo-eesfromthecloister.blogspot.com/2009/03/catholic-church-pulls-plug.html"&gt;other attempts at misguided ecumenism&lt;/a&gt;, which were stopped before they occurred.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This could have been so easily avoided by having the Anglican ministers proclaim the other readings, or leading prayers of the faithful. This was crossing the line into doctrinal error.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But on a lighter note, before the Cooees boys steal my thunder, this video emphasises my sentiments:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/ydXtCpYimN8&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ydXtCpYimN8&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-229903218360484012?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/229903218360484012/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=229903218360484012&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/229903218360484012'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/229903218360484012'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/05/st-marys-abuses-spreading.html' title='St Marys abuses spreading?'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-348566542900311138</id><published>2009-05-27T16:52:00.007+10:00</published><updated>2009-05-27T20:23:55.144+10:00</updated><title type='text'>For all the Latinists out there....</title><content type='html'>.....and I'm sure that there are quite a few of you who read this blog, Sydney's &lt;span id="SPELLING_ERROR_0" class="blsp-spelling-error"&gt;Campion&lt;/span&gt; College is conducting a week-long intensive course on Ecclesiastical/Medieval Latin. It is not &lt;span id="SPELLING_ERROR_1" class="blsp-spelling-corrected"&gt;targeted&lt;/span&gt; to a specific learning group; you can be a novice or expert &lt;em&gt;in &lt;span id="SPELLING_ERROR_2" class="blsp-spelling-error"&gt;lingua&lt;/span&gt; Latina &lt;/em&gt;and attend. Texts for translation over the five days will include passages from scripture, the Church Fathers Ante-Nicene and Post-Nicene (including my old friends &lt;span id="SPELLING_ERROR_3" class="blsp-spelling-error"&gt;Minucius&lt;/span&gt; Felix and Augustine), hymns and medieval texts such as the &lt;em&gt;&lt;span id="SPELLING_ERROR_4" class="blsp-spelling-error"&gt;Legenda&lt;/span&gt; Aurea.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The course runs between 13th-17th of July. Though I will probably not be able to attend myself (very disappointing), I would highly recommend that if you are able, you should! You can find out more information and an application form at &lt;a href="http://www.campion.edu.au/"&gt;Campion College's website&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-348566542900311138?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/348566542900311138/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=348566542900311138&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/348566542900311138'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/348566542900311138'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/05/for-all-latinists-out-there.html' title='For all the Latinists out there....'/><author><name>Steph</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16369652847264767290</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-7946028994395963653</id><published>2009-05-14T21:03:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2009-05-14T21:09:52.444+10:00</updated><title type='text'>The Pantheon</title><content type='html'>One of the greatest buildings in the world that I have visited is the Pantheon in Rome. Today it is its 1400th birthday as a Christian church although it dates from the 2nd century AD and parts of the building to the reign of the Emperor Augustus.  Im not sure how many times a week they celebrate Mass there but it seems to be on a regular basis.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The great thing about this video is that you get to see parts of the building that you dont get to see as a tourist. Notice all the original Roman brickwork.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/NB_wkoyK7Us&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/NB_wkoyK7Us&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-7946028994395963653?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/7946028994395963653/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=7946028994395963653&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/7946028994395963653'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/7946028994395963653'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/05/pantheon.html' title='The Pantheon'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-2951938832134025084</id><published>2009-04-26T19:42:00.009+10:00</published><updated>2009-04-26T20:21:34.056+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Catholicism in the Land of the Rising Sun</title><content type='html'>Apologies for no posts....I mentioned the loss of my internet, and had only had it back for about a day before I was scheduled to leave on an overseas trip. My trip was to Japan, and I'm going to post a little about it here.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Christianity is a minority faith in Japan- Roman Catholicism in particular only makes up 0.5% of the population, according to statistics from Catholic-Hierarchy.org (among this small minority is Japan's current PM, Taro Aso). The majority of Japanese practice Buddhism (specifically Mahayana or 'Greater Vehicle' Buddhism) and the animist Shinto faith. If you stay in a Japanese hotel, not only will you find a copy of the Gideons New Testament (with side-by-side Japanese and English translation) in your bedside table drawer, but also a copy of the Teachings of Buddha next to it. The Buddha of Compassion (Kanzeon in Japanese) is often closely identified with Mary. Though I did see traditional statuary of Mary (St. Mary's Cathedral in Tokyo has a copy of Michaelangelo's Pieta), she is also depicted as a Japanese woman with long flowing hair and wearing traditional kimono.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5328938639975641922" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 320px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 240px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RwvlKabDRS8/SfQxdYmZ80I/AAAAAAAAAAM/0VTtgULI-9w/s320/IMG_0027.jpg" border="0" /&gt; It was Francis Xavier who brought the Gospel to the Japanese in the late 16th century, and the churches I visited all featured some statue or image in his likeness. The bust in the photo below is displayed in St. Mary's Cathedral- it once belonged to the Medici family and was donated to St. Mary's by Cardinal Josef Frings, the former Archbishop of Cologne. Catholic Christians in Japan have encountered some hostility; the story of the twenty-six missionaries and converts being crucified during the Edo period is well-documented, and Christianity was banned until the 19th century Meiji Restoration, which allowed for freedom of religion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5328938933439103698" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 320px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 240px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RwvlKabDRS8/SfQxud1jAtI/AAAAAAAAAAU/FQ3ZWqryW4g/s320/IMG_0309.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5328940000982530450" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 320px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 240px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RwvlKabDRS8/SfQysmvu-ZI/AAAAAAAAAAc/z6QZo55qVHs/s320/IMG_0160.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5328939999765753474" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 320px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 240px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RwvlKabDRS8/SfQysiNoboI/AAAAAAAAAAk/Ca1FOK5e1Ko/s320/IMG_0161.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The church here is a parish in Ashiya, a suburb outside of Osaka and was built in the 1930s. It is looked after at present by three priests- two Japanese and a Frenchman (there was an Italian there during my stay, but he was due to leave for another parish within a few weeks). My friend and her mother, who I attended mass with there, related that Japan also suffers from a shortage of clergy, which may explain the presence of the expat priests. A few parishes in Tokyo offer masses in English, but most services will be in Japanese and in some cases Tagalog and Spanish.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;During World War II, some churches were destroyed when the Americans bombed the country; the most notable example being Nagasaki's Urakami Cathedral, which was destroyed when the second atomic bomb hit a short distance from the building. As a consequence, some churches rebuilt after the war were constructed with a modern appearance. The pictures below are of St. Mary's Cathedral, which was one such parish that was bombed during the war. I attended Palm Sunday mass there, and while I felt initially staggered by the size of the place, I found the interior to my liking. It appears quite cave-like in the photos below, but the simplicity of it is quite pleasing to the eye in person. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5328940629624372082" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 320px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 240px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RwvlKabDRS8/SfQzRMnoO3I/AAAAAAAAAAs/v7gAu-cjQfQ/s320/IMG_0303.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5328940633597752354" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 320px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 240px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RwvlKabDRS8/SfQzRba9NCI/AAAAAAAAABE/a0zEZWTlajo/s320/IMG_0318.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5328940633544594050" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 320px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 240px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_RwvlKabDRS8/SfQzRbOSEoI/AAAAAAAAAA8/WXyk5PfXwR0/s320/IMG_0317.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5328940629697398162" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 320px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 240px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RwvlKabDRS8/SfQzRM5ChZI/AAAAAAAAAA0/m9Wrp5kJJbs/s320/IMG_0305.jpg" border="0" /&gt;Kawaramachi Church is the seat of the Bishop of Kyoto. I was surprised to find it a short distance away from my hotel. The layout of the church bears some similarity to that of the Stuartholme School chapel in Brisbane with its large triangular stained glass window behind the altar. This church too was fairly simple in layout, with only the right wall decorated with stained glass windows. The third photos shows a section of this wall depicting the Stations of the Cross.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5328941720501763586" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 240px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 320px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RwvlKabDRS8/SfQ0QsdEPgI/AAAAAAAAABM/QNdbn5qcm_M/s320/IMG_0206.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5328941718892167906" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 240px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 320px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RwvlKabDRS8/SfQ0QmdTwuI/AAAAAAAAABU/Ma7imfId8Ks/s320/IMG_0207.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5328941721089773570" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 320px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 239px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RwvlKabDRS8/SfQ0QupQkAI/AAAAAAAAABc/c2pl6xYCItM/s320/IMG_0209.jpg" border="0" /&gt;I have taken no photos of the services I went to (something I wouldn't feel comfortable doing, since they're not my parishes and I don't know the parishioners), but will comment on what might be considered a particular quirk to Japanese worship. Standing during the entire Liturgy of the Eucharist is practiced by most, with kneeling for prayer after communion. The parish in Ashiya also employs a system where a plateful of unconsecrated hosts is placed at the church entrance alongside the ciborium, and before you take your seat you take a host from the plate and place it in the ciborium with tongs. This is done to ensure exact numbers for communion. Altar serving practices are not too different from ours here; most of the servers I saw were young children around the ages of 8-10 (with an adult supervisor), and were very disciplined and committed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If readers would still like to learn more about the Japanese Catholic experience, I can highly recommend the works of the author Endo Shusoku, in particular 'Silence' and 'Scandal'.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-2951938832134025084?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/2951938832134025084/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=2951938832134025084&amp;isPopup=true' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/2951938832134025084'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/2951938832134025084'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/04/catholicism-in-land-of-rising-sun.html' title='Catholicism in the Land of the Rising Sun'/><author><name>Steph</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16369652847264767290</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RwvlKabDRS8/SfQxdYmZ80I/AAAAAAAAAAM/0VTtgULI-9w/s72-c/IMG_0027.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-2687986231515457191</id><published>2009-04-25T15:02:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2009-04-25T15:31:01.529+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Only in America!!</title><content type='html'>A biretta tip o{] :-) goes to Hypatia for discovering the commercial that the Archdiocese of New York is using to get people to come to confession.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am amazed the the Cooees people did not pick this one up.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But as they say - only in America!!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="480" height="295"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Dpqi56EWnQ8&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Dpqi56EWnQ8&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="295"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-2687986231515457191?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/2687986231515457191/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=2687986231515457191&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/2687986231515457191'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/2687986231515457191'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/04/only-in-america.html' title='Only in America!!'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-4459022486079560384</id><published>2009-04-23T22:01:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2009-04-23T22:03:50.833+10:00</updated><title type='text'>You can never have too many candles</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SfBZFMDZsVI/AAAAAAAAARE/8Ar8IdIbEX4/s1600-h/misasoledadalcala1.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5327856304849006930" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 300px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 400px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SfBZFMDZsVI/AAAAAAAAARE/8Ar8IdIbEX4/s400/misasoledadalcala1.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;Here is a pic from a recent mass celebrated in Sevilla in Spain. Very ornate and very Spanish of course.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-4459022486079560384?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/4459022486079560384/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=4459022486079560384&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/4459022486079560384'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/4459022486079560384'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/04/you-can-never-have-too-many-candles.html' title='You can never have too many candles'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SfBZFMDZsVI/AAAAAAAAARE/8Ar8IdIbEX4/s72-c/misasoledadalcala1.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-6038148301988057448</id><published>2009-04-13T10:49:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2009-04-13T10:51:59.394+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Happy Easter Everyone</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SeKMRl8nsOI/AAAAAAAAAQ8/zi9fu-j4_8A/s1600-h/Christ+is+risen.bmp"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5323971943377383650" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 333px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 400px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SeKMRl8nsOI/AAAAAAAAAQ8/zi9fu-j4_8A/s400/Christ+is+risen.bmp" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;A happy Easter to all our visitors.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Other commitments and holidays have not permitted us to blog very often through Lent. We are hoping to get more political and liturgical commentary up soon.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-6038148301988057448?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/6038148301988057448/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=6038148301988057448&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/6038148301988057448'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/6038148301988057448'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/04/happy-easter-everyone.html' title='Happy Easter Everyone'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SeKMRl8nsOI/AAAAAAAAAQ8/zi9fu-j4_8A/s72-c/Christ+is+risen.bmp' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-4343840327318056135</id><published>2009-04-04T10:35:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2009-04-04T11:11:27.465+10:00</updated><title type='text'>The vernacular in the Usus Antiquor</title><content type='html'>There is an interesting quiz posted on the &lt;a href="http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/"&gt;New Liturgical Movement&lt;/a&gt; website about what language the readings should be in if using the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Roman and I were in agreement on one aspect - use one language or another for the readings, not both.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Unfortunately, you cannot see my result on the quiz. But this is of the essence of it. I believe that in a Low Mass the readings should be in the vernacular. In a High Mass they need to be sung in Latin. I hadnt really thought about a Missa Canata, so one may use either/or but preferably in Latin. Where the readings are in Latin the congregation needs to have Mass sheets to follow.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of the things that I found very awkward is the priest then re-reading the readings from the pulpit. Given that the purpose of the Homily is to break open the Word of God, there does not need to be a re-reading but the Homily needs to be centred upon the readings.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Its interesting that with Henry VIII's reforms of the Sarum Usage after his break with Rome, the Mass was maintained in Latin, but the readings and the recitation of the Our Father (with the people) were to be in the vernacular. This was as "protestant" as Henry wanted to go liturgically. Later on Elizabeth I insisted that the Anglican services in the Chapel Royal be in Latin, although apart from Oxford, they were in English in the rest of the country*.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for my limited personal experience:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;St Lukes Brisbane&lt;br /&gt;Readings are always in Latin and then read from the lecturn in the vernacular.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;St Aloysius Melbourne&lt;br /&gt;Readings in Latin only. I think Missals and mass sheets are made available&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;San Gregorio in Muritorio Rome&lt;br /&gt;Readings in Latin only. Hand-outs in Italian (I found the Latin easier to follow)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;San Pietro Rome (Solemn Novus Ordo Mass)&lt;br /&gt;First and second readings in vernacular (one in Italian), Gospel in Latin. Nice glossy booklets for the ordinary, but no hand outs for the readings.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;***********************&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;*Elizabeth wanted to unify the country under one "Book of Common Prayer". However, in some parts of the country such as Cornwall, people would have been more familiar with Latin as a second language, than English.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img style="VISIBILITY: hidden; WIDTH: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px" height="0" src="http://counters.gigya.com/wildfire/IMP/CXNID=2000002.11NXC/bHQ9MTIzODgwNTIxNDgxMiZwdD*xMjM4ODA1MzQzNTMxJnA9MTA3MTcxJmQ9Jm49YmxvZ2dlciZnPTEmdD*mZj1i.gif" width="0" border="0" /&gt; &lt;div style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 11px; MAX-WIDTH: 420px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; WIDTH: 420px; PADDING-TOP: 0px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ccc" align="center"&gt;&lt;table style="FONT-SIZE: 11px" cellspacing="3" cellpadding="0" width="100%" border="0"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td valign="top" align="left"&gt;&lt;table style="FONT-SIZE: 11px" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" border="0"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td valign="top" align="middle"&gt;&lt;div style="BORDER-RIGHT: #bbb 3px solid; BORDER-TOP: #bbb 3px solid; BACKGROUND: rgb(255,255,255); MARGIN: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #bbb 3px solid; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); BORDER-BOTTOM: #bbb 3px solid"&gt;&lt;table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="98%" border="0"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px dotted" valign="top" align="middle" width="90%"&gt;&lt;h1&gt;&lt;a title="The Language of the Liturgical Readings in the Usus Antiquior" style="FONT-SIZE: 14px; COLOR: rgb(153,51,51)" href="http://www.proprofs.com/quiz-school/story.php?title=option-to-use-vernacular-liturgical-readings-in-usus-antiquior" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The Language of the Liturgical Readings in the Usus Antiquior&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/h1&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; PADDING-TOP: 3px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px dotted" valign="top" align="left" width="90%"&gt;My Result: &lt;strong&gt;N/A&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="PADDING-RIGHT: 8px; PADDING-LEFT: 8px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 8px; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); PADDING-TOP: 8px; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px dotted" valign="top" align="justify" width="90%"&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 10px; FLOAT: right; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px; TEXT-ALIGN: center"&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img alt="View user's Quiz School Profile" src="http://www.proprofs.com/images/default_user.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normalfont-size:11;" &gt;Stephen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="FONT-SIZE: 11px" align="justify"&gt;(Please ignore. This field isn't relevant to this particular type of survey.)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; PADDING-TOP: 5px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none" valign="top" align="middle"&gt;&lt;table style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255)" cellspacing="3" cellpadding="5" width="98%" border="0"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td valign="center" align="middle"&gt;&lt;a title="ProProfs Quiz School Home" style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 20px; FONT-SIZE: 11px; BACKGROUND: url(http://www.proprofs.com/quiz-school/images/icon-qs-home.png) no-repeat left center; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); PADDING-TOP: 3px" href="http://www.proprofs.com/quiz-school/" target="_blank"&gt;Quiz School&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td valign="center" align="middle" colspan="2"&gt;&lt;a title="Take This Quiz" style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 20px; FONT-SIZE: 11px; BACKGROUND: url(http://www.proprofs.com/quiz-school/images/icon-qs-again.png) no-repeat left center; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); PADDING-TOP: 3px" href="http://www.proprofs.com/quiz-school/quizview.php?title=option-to-use-vernacular-liturgical-readings-in-usus-antiquior" target="_blank"&gt;Take this quiz &amp;amp; get your result&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; COLOR: #990000; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"&gt;&lt;a title="The Language of the Liturgical Readings in th…" href="http://www.proprofs.com/quiz-school/story.php?title=option-to-use-vernacular-liturgical-readings-in-usus-antiquior" target="_blank"&gt;The Language of the Liturgical Readings in the Usus Antiquior&lt;/a&gt; » &lt;a title="Quiz Maker" href="http://www.proprofs.com/quiz-school/" target="_blank"&gt;Quiz Maker&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-4343840327318056135?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/4343840327318056135/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=4343840327318056135&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/4343840327318056135'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/4343840327318056135'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/04/et-clamor-ad-te-veniat.html' title='The vernacular in the Usus Antiquor'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-3608770750692309864</id><published>2009-03-21T09:22:00.001+10:00</published><updated>2009-03-21T09:24:12.111+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Lampooning Liberals</title><content type='html'>I have to give a heads up to this post by Diogenes of CWN fame.  It made my morning and might make yours as well.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/otr.cfm?id=4957&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-3608770750692309864?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/3608770750692309864/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=3608770750692309864&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/3608770750692309864'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/3608770750692309864'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/03/lampooning-liberals.html' title='Lampooning Liberals'/><author><name>Summa Theologiae</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02949182179505070796</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-83968885632211324</id><published>2009-03-14T22:50:00.004+10:00</published><updated>2009-03-14T23:11:47.735+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Rossini and Pius IX</title><content type='html'>&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SbuqGV9FF8I/AAAAAAAAAQs/SG3zZ_9J-54/s1600-h/Rossini_7.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5313027211362899906" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 295px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 400px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SbuqGV9FF8I/AAAAAAAAAQs/SG3zZ_9J-54/s400/Rossini_7.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;One of my fav composers is Gioachino Rossini (1792-1868) as seen above. Its amazing apart from Vivaldi how much of his music is now "hold Music". I stumbled upon a cantata he wrote in praise of Pope Pius IX as you can see below.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5313027346400596738" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 275px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 400px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SbuqONAk0wI/AAAAAAAAAQ0/niKps0d54jM/s400/412px-Pius_ix.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/bcmzjcZ-raE&amp;amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/bcmzjcZ-raE&amp;amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I found this really interesting because I always thought that Rossini was what we would call now a "liberal" whilst Pius was ultra-conservative. His primary works that he is remembered for was Vatican I which defined Papal Infallability and his "Syllabus of Errors" where he condemned just about everything that was going on in modern Europe at the time. In fact British commentators at the time said that the Italians called him "Pio nono" because everything was a "NO-NO".&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Putting that all aside, I'm more interested in Pius' personal habits. For instance he was the last pope that we know of who was a chain smoker, and an Italian perfume maker recently reconstructed his personal deoderant. (The Papacy is so interesting!!).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Anyway I hope our readership enjoys the cantata, with visuals from the Pius IX museum and very mid-19th century type of music, with lots of ornamentation.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-83968885632211324?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/83968885632211324/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=83968885632211324&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/83968885632211324'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/83968885632211324'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/03/rossini-and-pius-ix.html' title='Rossini and Pius IX'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SbuqGV9FF8I/AAAAAAAAAQs/SG3zZ_9J-54/s72-c/Rossini_7.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-3591832957743275324</id><published>2009-03-08T22:29:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2009-03-08T22:38:56.914+10:00</updated><title type='text'>San Trinita in Rome</title><content type='html'>There is a good &lt;a href="http://www.h2onews.org/_page_videoview.php?id_news=1616&amp;amp;lang=en"&gt;television report&lt;/a&gt; on San Trinita dei Pellegrini, the FSSP parish in Rome. I went to Sunday Mass at their former location at San Gregorio de Muratorio a few months before they made the move to San Trinita.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Happily (and the reason for the note) is that they have strong Australian links, with Fr Joseph Kramer from Melbourne being the parish priest and Australian priests and seminarians (and a certain Cardinal) helping out from time to time.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-3591832957743275324?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/3591832957743275324/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=3591832957743275324&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/3591832957743275324'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/3591832957743275324'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/03/san-trinita-in-rome.html' title='San Trinita in Rome'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-8268037001332157184</id><published>2009-03-07T23:51:00.006+10:00</published><updated>2009-03-08T00:36:21.123+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Santa Maria in Domnica</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SbKDQXJXfaI/AAAAAAAAAQk/xU9elPpleKU/s1600-h/800px-Celio_-_santa_Maria_in_Domnica_1831.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5310451227737685410" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 400px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 300px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SbKDQXJXfaI/AAAAAAAAAQk/xU9elPpleKU/s400/800px-Celio_-_santa_Maria_in_Domnica_1831.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;For those of you who follow the round of Stational Churches during Lent you will notice that the stational church for the Second Sunday of Lent is the Stational Church of Santa Maria in Domnica.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5310450809041664610" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 400px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 258px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SbKC3_YdOmI/AAAAAAAAAQc/_J9v3eKRFXU/s400/800px-S_m_domenica_1.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;(Photo:Nina Aldin Thune)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;I visited this charming little church on an Autumn morning in Rome, after walking up the Clivus Scauri, past where Pope Gregory the Great lived. The term "Dominca" it is suggested comes from the term &lt;em&gt;dominica sotto praedia &lt;/em&gt;namely, that the church was sited in an area of Imperial dependence. Archaeologists have found that this church, founded upon an earlier one, was connected to a diaconal hall. These halls were set up after the collapse of the Roman Empire after the church took over the distribution of the corn "dole". This task was managed by the deacons.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;At the end of the papal struggle against the Iconoclasts, Pope Pascal II (pontificate 817-824AD)built this church, which features for the first time Our Lady holding the child Jesus as a central icon in the apse.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="center"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5310447769018504562" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 400px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 300px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SbKAHCadFXI/AAAAAAAAAQM/jEhqQdEcnks/s400/Picture+330.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;You can see Pope Pascal II, as the small figure (about the same size as Jesus) kneeling at the foot of Mary touching her foot in homage. Note the square halo around the Pope, indicating that the mosaic was undertaken in his lifetime.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For those of you with an interest in how churches are oriented. This one is oriented in the same way as St John Lateran and St Peters, with the apse at the western end and the doors at the East. The celebrant would therefore celebrate facing the congregation. Presumably the Altar originally had a ciborium, but it looks about 18th century to me. Cardinal de Medici (later Pope Leo X) arranged a major makeover in the early 1500s (Medici lions all over the place on the outside) and the sanctuary had a makeover in the 1950s.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;This church is the titular church of &lt;a href="http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/02/farewell-to-roman.html"&gt;H.E. Cardinal William Levada&lt;/a&gt;, Prefect of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith. I hope that he gets a chance often to celebrate Mass here.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="center"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-8268037001332157184?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/8268037001332157184/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=8268037001332157184&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8268037001332157184'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8268037001332157184'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/03/santa-maria-in-domnica.html' title='Santa Maria in Domnica'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SbKDQXJXfaI/AAAAAAAAAQk/xU9elPpleKU/s72-c/800px-Celio_-_santa_Maria_in_Domnica_1831.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-2641716818650583540</id><published>2009-03-07T23:38:00.001+10:00</published><updated>2009-03-07T23:41:09.552+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Pontifical Vespers with Bp Elliott</title><content type='html'>Subsequent to Bishop Elliott's talk we processed to St Aloysius Church for Pontifical Vespers at the Faldstool. You can see pictures of that event &lt;a href="http://latinmassmelbourne.org/images/pontvespjan08/index.htm"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-2641716818650583540?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/2641716818650583540/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=2641716818650583540&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/2641716818650583540'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/2641716818650583540'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/03/pontifical-vespers-with-bp-elliott.html' title='Pontifical Vespers with Bp Elliott'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-5885205881757630472</id><published>2009-03-07T23:04:00.007+10:00</published><updated>2009-03-07T23:49:05.631+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Bp Peter Elliott Address</title><content type='html'>In January 2008, Bishop Peter Elliott gave a lecture at the Guild of St Lawrence conference. I have now worked out how to post this up on this blog so that you can all enjoy and be informed. Not that it takes me this long but it was originally to be hosted on another site.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Fr Glen Tattersall of the Extraordinary Form Mass community hosted the conference and he introduces His Lordship.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.box.net/static/flash/box_explorer.swf?widget_hash=ua0vbh3qp2&amp;v=0&amp;cl=0" width="460" height="345" wmode="transparent" type="application/x-shockwave-flash"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-5885205881757630472?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/5885205881757630472/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=5885205881757630472&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/5885205881757630472'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/5885205881757630472'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/03/bp-peter-elliott-address-second-attempt.html' title='Bp Peter Elliott Address'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-5101425690840506286</id><published>2009-03-03T13:07:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2009-03-03T13:31:44.595+10:00</updated><title type='text'>An apology for the lack of apologia...</title><content type='html'>Lest anyone was concerned about why I haven't posted on Justin Martyr yet, I'm currently without a phoneline or internet at home due to a snapped telegraph line. I promise the post as soon as I get access again, and in the meantime will be sending prayers to our patron saint of telecommunications, the Archangel Gabriel, that Telstra will come and fix things up soon!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-5101425690840506286?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/5101425690840506286/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=5101425690840506286&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/5101425690840506286'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/5101425690840506286'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/03/apology-for-lack-of-apologia.html' title='An apology for the lack of apologia...'/><author><name>Steph</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16369652847264767290</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-49998799116787330</id><published>2009-03-02T20:41:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2009-03-02T20:55:07.235+10:00</updated><title type='text'>On Holy Communion</title><content type='html'>Here is a liturgical question that has been perplexing me:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;N 162 of the Australian edition of the General Instruction on the Roman Missal states:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;162. The priest may be assisted in the distribution of Communion by other priests who happen to be present. If such priests are not present and there is a very large number of communicants, the priest may call upon extraordinary ministers to assist him, i.e., duly instituted acolytes or even other faithful who have been deputed for this purpose.97 In case of necessity, the priest may depute suitable faithful for this single occasion.98 &lt;strong&gt;These ministers should not approach the altar before the priest has received Communion, and they are always to receive from the hands of the priest celebrant the vessel containing either species of the Most Holy Eucharist for distribution to the faithful&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course we do not see this in our churches. What we actually see refers more to a diocesan instruction: Special Ministers of Communion Archdiocese of Brisbane 1982, revised 1993:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The ministers come to the altar after the sign of peace.&lt;/strong&gt;  After the Lamb of God, the priest gives communion to the ministers —first the bread and then the cup. The priest and the communion ministers then take the eucharist to the people according to the local custom. (Alternatively, ministers may receive communion after they have ministered to the assembly — a stronger sign of their service.)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Note that the current diocesan instruction predates &lt;em&gt;Redemptionis Sacramentum&lt;/em&gt; and therefore has the incorrect terminology to start with.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Considering that the GIRM was promulgated in May 2007, how come it is taking so long for the legislated practices to come into line? Or did the bishops sign up to something that they were not going to follow anyway? Just a thought as I hate seeing the lay people in their ordinary clothes looking like concelebrants, when the communion liturgy has still a long way to go.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-49998799116787330?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/49998799116787330/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=49998799116787330&amp;isPopup=true' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/49998799116787330'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/49998799116787330'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/03/on-holy-communion.html' title='On Holy Communion'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-3389408955055622112</id><published>2009-02-25T19:25:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2009-02-25T19:32:20.419+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Chesterton on St Mary's Part 3</title><content type='html'>Dear Readers, this could be my last post for a little while or at least my last regular one depending on how things go.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Returning to our topic, Fr Kennedy has often made use of the word "orthodox" and "orthodoxy" in very pejorative ways.  Fr Kennedy prides himself on being "unorthodox."  Jesus, we are told, was "unorthodox", whatever that's supposed to mean in such a context.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don't have much further comment to add since I think the following quote from Chesterton mostly speaks for itself.  This time, however, it is from another book of his aptly entitled &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Heretics&lt;/span&gt;.  I can only hope these snippets might edge some people into reading Chesterton.  If you haven't he's one of the best kept secrets out there and for many the greatest author of the 20th century.  This section is the opening paragraph of the first chapter.  The first chapter of &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Heretics &lt;/span&gt;by the way is an excellent antidote to this whole sorry affair as Chesterton explains the importance of going back to fundamental ideas.  The last paragraph on the monk and the lamp post is golden.  Anyhow, for now I present the following for your enjoyment:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;" Nothing more strangely indicates an enormous and silent evil of modern society than the extraordinary use which is made nowadays of the word "orthodox."  In former days the heretic was proud of not being a heretic.  It was the kingdoms of the world and the police and the judges who were heretics. He was orthodox.  He had no pride in having rebelled against them; they had rebelled against him.  The armies with their cruel security, the kings with their cold faces, the decorous processes of State, the reasonable processes of law--all these like sheep had gone astray. The man was proud of being orthodox, was proud of being right. If he stood alone in a howling wilderness he was more than a man; he was a church.  He was the centre of the universe; it was round him that the stars swung.  All the tortures torn out of forgotten hells could not make him admit that he was heretical. But a few modern phrases have made him boast of it.  He says, with a conscious laugh, "I suppose I am very heretical," and looks round for applause.  The word "heresy" not only means no longer being wrong; it practically means being clear-headed and courageous. The word "orthodoxy" not only no longer means being right; it practically means being wrong.  All this can mean one thing, and one thing only.  It means that people care less for whether they are philosophically right.  For obviously a man ought to confess himself crazy before he confesses himself heretical. The Bohemian, with a red tie, ought to pique himself on his orthodoxy. The dynamiter, laying a bomb, ought to feel that, whatever else he is, at least he is orthodox."&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-3389408955055622112?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/3389408955055622112/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=3389408955055622112&amp;isPopup=true' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/3389408955055622112'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/3389408955055622112'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/02/chesterton-on-st-marys-part-3.html' title='Chesterton on St Mary&apos;s Part 3'/><author><name>Summa Theologiae</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02949182179505070796</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-4901753793147081610</id><published>2009-02-22T22:12:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2009-02-22T22:22:48.217+10:00</updated><title type='text'>The Archdiocese of brisbane and St Marys Church</title><content type='html'>What an interesting 3 days it has been and what an amount og fodder for comment. I really have not much comment on this except that now you are either behind His Grace the Archbishop of Brisbane or behind the renegade Kennedy. There is no middle position anymore unfortunately, that disappeared at the beginning of last week.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I totally concur with the comments on Coo-ees both from the &lt;a href="http://coo-eesfromthecloister.blogspot.com/2009/02/mark-929.html"&gt;mother house&lt;/a&gt; and the &lt;a href="http://coo-eesfromthecloisternovices.blogspot.com/2009/02/get-him-off.html"&gt;daughter house&lt;/a&gt;. The sooner Kennedy is away from the situation the better.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That leaves the situation with the St Marys congregation itself. This is a group of people who hate Rome and hate the Catholic Church. This is liberalism taken to extremes. They have not taken the God centred path which is the path of "reason", as the Pope explained in his Regensburg Address.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What will happen with the physical assets? Who knows. It might be the time for a long sit-in by the congregation with a legal battle which will take years.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-4901753793147081610?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/4901753793147081610/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=4901753793147081610&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/4901753793147081610'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/4901753793147081610'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/02/archdiocese-of-brisbane-and-st-marys.html' title='The Archdiocese of brisbane and St Marys Church'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-672924628279841816</id><published>2009-02-20T20:46:00.000+10:00</published><updated>2009-02-20T20:48:44.638+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Summa Theologicas Work - Translated</title><content type='html'>I realise that it has been a while since I last posted on this weblog. Unfortunately many things manage to conspire to keep the wicked at work.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At any rate with Roman's "retirement" it falls to myself and Stephen to keep the ball rolling that started over two years ago. With that I intend to try and impart my own small contribution of momentum to the effort, God willing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Longtime devoted readers of this blog will recall my last posts which analyzed and critiqued certain sections of Richard Dawkin's The God Delusion that dealt quite woefully with the five ways (quinque viae) of St Thomas Aquinas. Unfamiliar readers may like to go back and consult them. You can find the main ones &lt;a href="http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2007/06/secularisms-growing-cloud.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;a href="http://http/et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2007/07/as-i-said-in-my-last-post-ill-be.html"&gt; here&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2007/07/to-infinity-and-beyond.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2007/11/fourth-way.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Needless to say my understanding of these matters has deepened appreciably since I last wrote these posts. Today I would have written them differently.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally readers should feel free to raise any matters even slightly related to such posts even if they are just questions which they would like to see dealt with. Philosophical inquiry thrives on a mutal exchange of ideas and the shared pursuit of the Truth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So here's hoping for some more philosophy in the future.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-672924628279841816?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/672924628279841816/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=672924628279841816&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/672924628279841816'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/672924628279841816'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/02/summa-theologicas-work-translated.html' title='Summa Theologicas Work - Translated'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-6696215833837698702</id><published>2009-02-18T20:01:00.005+10:00</published><updated>2009-02-18T20:57:47.475+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Presenting....The Apologists. AKA Defending Christianity: You're doing it right!</title><content type='html'>While my colleagues on this blog have offered commentary on liturgy and contemporary events in the church, I have decided to delve into the church's past for my posts in the next few weeks, and to a subject very close to my heart.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My honours thesis was written on a range of early Christian texts, but the one genre that caught my attention was that of &lt;em&gt;apologia.&lt;/em&gt; The word&lt;em&gt; apologia&lt;/em&gt; is Greek for 'to defend', and the genre was utilized by such ancient writers as Apuleius and Plato, whose &lt;em&gt;Apology&lt;/em&gt; is a version of the speech Socrates made in his own defence when placed on trial in Athens.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; A number of Church Fathers followed in the footsteps of Plato and also wrote apologies. These texts were ostensibly addressed to authority figures in Roman government such as provincial governors and the emperors; however, their actual audience were more likely to be Christians who, when faced with having to defend their actions, needed to explain their faith.&lt;br /&gt;As a convert myself, I've had to defend my faith on a few occasions; as a result, the apologetic texts, despite being centuries old, still struck a chord with me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Over the next few posts I make, I would like to cover five apologists of the Ante-Nicene church: Justin Martyr, Athenagoras of Athens, Tertullian, Minucius Felix and Lactantius. If any readers are interested in reading the works of these men, a simple Google search will bring up a number of websites where you can read the complete works online. The first apologist I would like to discuss here is Justin, hopefully in the next week or so.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the meantime, the grounding for the Christian apologetic is not only found in the works of Plato (more on this in the post on Justin...), but in the New Testament too. The trial of Paul in Acts 24-26 is the foremost example of a defence of Christianity in the NT, and a section that I would highly recommend for reading. Convincing both the procurator and the tetrarch of Judaea that he has committed no wrongdoing, Paul's speeches are a prototype for the apologetic genre, and illustrate how a successful defence of the faith could be made to an audience who stood a chance of being in the same situation as Paul.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That concludes today's post- from the early example of Paul, a shift occurs in such a way where the early Christian defence speech goes from being part of a larger narrative to being the actual subject itself. It's from this viewpoint that I'll be discussing Justin.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-6696215833837698702?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/6696215833837698702/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=6696215833837698702&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/6696215833837698702'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/6696215833837698702'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/02/presentingthe-apologists-aka-defending.html' title='Presenting....The Apologists. AKA Defending Christianity: You&apos;re doing it right!'/><author><name>Steph</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16369652847264767290</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-4333110952129771143</id><published>2009-02-15T17:05:00.009+10:00</published><updated>2009-02-15T18:10:52.652+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Chesterton on St Mary's Part 2</title><content type='html'>As I promised there is some more relevant GKC to refer to in relation to St Mary's.  But first a more fundamental point: why discuss St Mary's at all?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I believe there is a much better reason why we should do so than merely the fact that it is topical and controversial at the moment (even though this is a 'Brisbane based' blog and it's definitely the biggest Catholic news in Brisbane right now).  It's because some of the questions and objections Fr Kennedy is raising force us to ask questions well worth asking: why be Catholic?  Why orthodoxy?  Why dogma?  Why the Church?  At some stage in every Catholic's life these questions should be asked.  For the convert this obviously occurs in the process of their discovery of Catholic truth.  For the cradle Catholic there comes a time to choose to hang on to the religion of one's parents or to forsake it.  On that note many of the present generation are not forsaking the faith properly speaking; they never had it to really know what is involved in their rejection but that's by the by.  Let us not also forget the 'revert'.  I should also add that I am speaking here of our firm decision to hold fast to these things, the learning goes on for a lifetime.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The worse a heretic is the more essential the issues they raise.  Was Christ divine?  Did he found a Church?  Can that Church be found today if he did?  Why would he found a Church?  What is the nature and purpose of Divine Revelation?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are other questions that this unique situation also raise such as how does social justice tie in with the rest of Christian teaching?  There are enough issues to keep us going here for a long time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In some ways it is tempting to think that all Fr Kennedy really needs is to just read a decent apologetics book.  It would certainly contain answers but I doubt that would be a solution in his case.  Nonetheless when Fr Kennedy says (as he is on record as saying) that he is "hazy" about whether there is an afterlife, that is a chance to perhaps review the arguments for the immorality of the soul.   Most uncatechised Catholics probably don't even know there are such arguments, thinking perhaps it was all a matter of faith.  In point of fact some things taught by Revelation are known to reason also.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As St Thomas says as soon as the heretic uses Scripture we can refute him using the same. (ST I, q 1, a 8).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/5322170/jesus-unorthodox-rebel-qld-priest/"&gt;In a recent article&lt;/a&gt; Fr Kennedy is reported proclaiming in a homily that:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;"But we can take heart from the words of Jesus himself, who was judged harshly for his unorthodox behaviour - `By their fruits you will know them'."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Father takes heart from the fact that Christ was judged "unorthodox" by the Scribes and Pharisees (as many will remember "you're a Pharisee" is about as eloquent and insightful as most liberal arguments get).  He even quotes Scripture to his favour.  Yet he fails to remember Christ also taught that the Scribes and Pharisees sit on Moses' seat and therefore the disciples must "do as they say but not as they do." (Mt 23: 2-3).  Father Kennedy can hardly claim he is following this. He is free to believe in the privacy of his own house that say, Archbishop Bathersby is a hypocrite.  But whether that be true or false he must obey the legitimate authority of his bishop.  Obedience it has been said, is the one virtue the devil can't imitate even though he is capable of appearing as an "angel of light" (2 Corth 11:14).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Authority can be abused but it is also necessary.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'll deal with Fr Kennedy's references to "orthodoxy" another time.  But for now here is the Chesterton (once again from his book called &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Orthodoxy&lt;/span&gt;):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;style&gt;&lt;/style&gt;&lt;div  style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;"Modern latitudinarians speak, for instance, about  authority in religion not only as if there is no reason in it, but as if there  had never been any reason for it.  Apart from seeing its philosophical basis,  they cannot even see its historical cause.  Religious authority has often,  doubtless, been oppressive or unreasonable; just as every legal system (and  espeically our present one) has been callous and full of a cruel apathy.  It is  rational to attack the police; nay, it is glorious.  But the modern critics of  religious authority are like men who should attack police without ever having  heard of burglars.  For there is a great and possible peril to the human mind: a  peril as practical as burglary.  Against it religious authority was reared,  rightly or wrongly, as a barrier.  And against it something certainly must be  reared as a barrier, if our race is to avoid ruin.  That peril is that the human  intellect is free to destroy itself."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-4333110952129771143?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/4333110952129771143/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=4333110952129771143&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/4333110952129771143'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/4333110952129771143'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/02/chesterton-on-st-marys-part-2.html' title='Chesterton on St Mary&apos;s Part 2'/><author><name>Summa Theologiae</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02949182179505070796</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-67590015173981100</id><published>2009-02-14T09:34:00.004+10:00</published><updated>2009-02-14T10:20:03.348+10:00</updated><title type='text'>St Valentines Day</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SZYI3JNdVaI/AAAAAAAAAQE/kvOB5_EZShA/s1600-h/Picture+316.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5302435354733532578" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 400px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 300px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SZYI3JNdVaI/AAAAAAAAAQE/kvOB5_EZShA/s400/Picture+316.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;The relics of St Valentine that I photographed in the church of Santa Maria in Cosmedion in Rome. Note the bouquets of roses around the reliquary. He was either a soldier of a priest beheaded during the reign of the Emperor Aurelian&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;One of the strange things that the liturgical modernisers did was remove the feast of St Valentine (14 february) from the Roman Calendar. It is even more paradoxical that the feast of St Valentine is more widely celebrated in the secular world and even more commercialised (almost like Easter) than when it was supposedly removed. Thankfully &lt;em&gt;Summorum Pontificum&lt;/em&gt; has allowed us again to celebrate this feast. We refer to the Propers of today's Mass in the Extraordinary Form:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Collect&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;em&gt;Praesta, quaesumus, omnipotens Deus,: ut qui beati Valentini Martyris tui natalitia colimus, a cunctis malis imminentibus, ejus intercessione, libereremur. Per Dominum nostrum Jesum Christum.....&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Secret&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;em&gt;Suscipe, quaesumus Domine, munera dignanter oblata: et beati Valentini martyris tui suffragantibus meritis, ad nostrae salutis auxilium provenire concede. Per Dominum nostrum Jesum Christum.....&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Postcommunion&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;em&gt;Sit nobis, Domine, reparatio mentis et corporis coeleste mysterium: ut, cujus exsequimur actionem, intercedente beato Valentino Martyre tuo, sentiamus effectum. Per Dominum nostrum Jesum Christum....&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Note: We assume that our readers, like ourselves, have a working knowledge of Latin or access to a copy of the Missal of Bl John XXIII, so no you are not going to get a translation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;So to keep some perspective on this feast, if you cannot get to an EF Mass in your local area, celebrate these prayers, and then go out and do something wonderful and spontaneous with the person or people that you love.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Of course St Valentine's day is a Christianisation of the old feast of Lupercal. I will leave it to Hypatia to outline the liturgical practices of that period, none of which made it into the Christian liturgy. Somehow someone decided that was inappropriate to have young men, wearing nothing but leather thongs (not on their feet), running through the basilicas whipping young women.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-67590015173981100?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/67590015173981100/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=67590015173981100&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/67590015173981100'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/67590015173981100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/02/st-valentines-day.html' title='St Valentines Day'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SZYI3JNdVaI/AAAAAAAAAQE/kvOB5_EZShA/s72-c/Picture+316.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-6792435859651442094</id><published>2009-02-11T15:41:00.007+10:00</published><updated>2009-02-11T22:20:07.310+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Chesterton on St Mary's Part 1</title><content type='html'>So, you didn't think this great British literary giant had anything to say on the matter?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Think again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I've deliberately titled this part one as it will be one of three small segments regarding sections from Chesterton which pertain in some way to this topic. Be prepared to see outside the box... (Chesterton has a habit of forcing the reader to do this).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Probably the most consistent defense of St Marys is its commitment to "social justice" (and we all know&lt;a href="http://www.vinnies.org.au/home.cfm?CFID=3320512&amp;amp;CFTOKEN=9e962ec72663c891-63DD9F4E-CAB4-1620-098FE123810EACBB"&gt; there's no other organizations around&lt;/a&gt; that do that kind of thing).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That apparently justifies everything.  They are committed to this one virtue.  Now for the Chesterton (specifically it's from Orthodoxy):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div  style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;"When a religious scheme is shattered (as  Christianity was at the Reformation) it is not merely the vices that are let  loose.  The vices are, indeed, let loose, and they wander and do damage.  But  the virtues are let loose also; and the virtues wander more wildy and the  virtues do more terrible damage.  The modern world is full of the old Christian  virtues gone mad.  The virtues have gone mad because they have been isolated  from each other and are wandering alone.  Thus some scientists care for truth;  and their truth is pitiless.  Thus some humanitarians only care for pity; and  their pity (I am sorry to say) is often untruthful.  For example, Mr Blatchford  attacks Christianity because he is mad on one Christian virtue: the merely  mystical and almost irrational virtue of charity.  He has a strange idea that   he will make it easier to forgive sins by saying that there are no sins to  forgive."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Only Chesterton would be brilliant enough to realise that virtues on steroids (as one person put it to me) can do a lot of damage when they run off by themselves.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here we see the effect of social justice when divorced from other virtues such as, I don't know, obedience perhaps.  One way it does more damage is acting as a cover.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By the way, has anyone seen St Mary's say anything on the biggest violation of social justice in Australia,  abortion?  Strange, I hadn't either.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Stay tuned.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-6792435859651442094?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/6792435859651442094/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=6792435859651442094&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/6792435859651442094'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/6792435859651442094'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/02/chesterton-on-st-marys-part-1.html' title='Chesterton on St Mary&apos;s Part 1'/><author><name>Summa Theologiae</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02949182179505070796</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-2370406412818875065</id><published>2009-02-10T21:47:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2009-02-10T21:49:45.542+10:00</updated><title type='text'>taking over St Marys</title><content type='html'>With all the fuss with St Mary's at the moment, its a good time to have a lighter take.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is one approach that a pastor could adopt. I am not sure I would recommend it tho:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="480" height="295"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/whOCjBCaR_c&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/whOCjBCaR_c&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="295"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-2370406412818875065?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/2370406412818875065/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=2370406412818875065&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/2370406412818875065'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/2370406412818875065'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/02/taking-over-st-marys.html' title='taking over St Marys'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-3824649103597587891</id><published>2009-02-10T18:34:00.005+10:00</published><updated>2009-02-10T19:47:35.163+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Tough Act to Convert (TAC)</title><content type='html'>While much recent media has focused on efforts of reapproachment with the SSPX &lt;a href="http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/articles/a0000469.shtml"&gt;there is another potential reunion in the works&lt;/a&gt;.  The Traditional Anglican Communion (TAC) and its 400,000 adherents are seeking to unite with Rome.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;TAC we are informed:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"...was founded in 1991 from groups that had broken with the Anglican Communion over the issue of the ordination of women and other issues. It has been in discussions with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith since late 2007."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But wait, there is opposition to this wonderful news.  Says one quoted Vatican source:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"The Pontifical Council for Christian Unity is against it."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Fancy that.  The Pontifical Council for Christian Unity is opposed to Christian Unity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I guess if everybody were to be united then there would no longer be any need of a Pontifical Council for Christian Unity so perhaps it does make sense.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Besides, Cardinal Kasper has said we don't understand ecumenism anymore as meaning that the non-Catholic party come over to and join the Catholic Church.  If that happened there would be no more ecumenism you see.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But fortunately:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"According to a Vatican insider, Pope Benedict himself is the driving force behind the plan and has linked it to the Year of St Paul, which ends in June."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"if the Holy Father wants this to happen, it will."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think we should all rejoice at this news and pray that it happens.  A personal prelature for the Anglicans may well lead to many new converts.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-3824649103597587891?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/3824649103597587891/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=3824649103597587891&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/3824649103597587891'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/3824649103597587891'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/02/tough-act-to-convert-tac.html' title='Tough Act to Convert (TAC)'/><author><name>Summa Theologiae</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02949182179505070796</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-7564890167151571190</id><published>2009-02-09T21:30:00.001+10:00</published><updated>2009-02-09T21:31:33.700+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Welcome Hypatia</title><content type='html'>Its excellent to see that the blog has gone one big step to some kind of gender balance!!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Im really looking forward to some interesting and challenging posts!!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-7564890167151571190?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/7564890167151571190/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=7564890167151571190&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/7564890167151571190'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/7564890167151571190'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/02/welcome-hypatia.html' title='Welcome Hypatia'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-4621334614695624646</id><published>2009-02-09T19:48:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2009-02-09T21:01:12.727+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Call me Hypatia...</title><content type='html'>...though I haven't yet been killed by an Alexandrian mob; you'll need to give me time to accomplish that, readers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was received into the church at the age of sixteen; as a result, I have a converts zeal for learning about the church, a zeal that has translated into Bachelors degree majoring in Religion and Classics and an honours thesis written on early Christian texts. I'm contemplating the topic of relics for my PhD presently, and have just started a vigorous research campaign to find an appropriate relic to be the focus of my study. I studied Classical Latin for three years at university, and have a very basic knowledge of Koine Greek that I hope to improve in time. Besides Classics, ancient history and church history, I'm currently having a 'fling' with renaissance humanism and plan to read the works of Erasmus over Lent.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was invited to contribute here by Stephen- I have served at the altar with him for six years at our parish. I'm not sure what I can bring to this blog, though I am honoured to be here nonetheless.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-4621334614695624646?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/4621334614695624646/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=4621334614695624646&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/4621334614695624646'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/4621334614695624646'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/02/call-me-hypatia.html' title='Call me Hypatia...'/><author><name>Steph</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16369652847264767290</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-5027729782167247295</id><published>2009-02-08T22:43:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2009-02-08T23:17:55.900+10:00</updated><title type='text'>A tale of two churches</title><content type='html'>I need to make comment on two aspects of the Church today.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One thing that the media has completely missed is that the Pope is primarily a shepherd. benedict's consecration sermon focussed on the central them "Siomon Peter do you love me - feed my sheep". When the Pope goes out to rescue some of the recalcretrant sheep and bring back to the herd is is condemned by the secular media. Yes some of the sheep are mentally unhinged, but the shepherd has to still find them and bring them gently back to to flock "holding them in his arms". In the secular media there is no forgiveness. If you hold views that do not fit in with the modern secular world, you should be flung into the darkness for eternity. This is not to say that there is still a long road to go with the SSPX. Personally, I find them distasteful, too full of sedevacantists and people who do not accept the Second Vatican Council.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But, its not about liturgy anymore since &lt;em&gt;Summorum Pontificum; &lt;/em&gt;that issue has been resolved. Its about whether Council was a departure from tradition. Personally as one of the few people who have read the documents, I believe it was a development of tradition, although some of the offshoots (the Consilium that developed the 1969 Missale Romanum) had questionable value.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Closer to home, the result at St Mary's South Brisbane was predictable. Apart from abberations in liturgy, no one has done anything wrong here. However, it has all got caught up in the larger issues of our day: te authority of the wider church, the authority of the magisterium and interpretations of Vatican II. The new acting pastor of the parish will have a hard time of it: I see that it will be like St Vincents in Sydney: blockades, the Mass being disrupted, sit-ins, etc. However, he may win the congregation over, if he is skilled in change management, because that is what the congregation will go through.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All over the world, unfortunately the dissent in the church is becoming louder. There is no such think as "loyal dissent" as that guy Paul Collins calls it. It will not lead to a split, but it will be like WWI where there will be digging into a lot of entranched positions, with some sniping at each other and overall very little movement. Catholicism is increasingly seen as a fascist religion and maybe that is true.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-5027729782167247295?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/5027729782167247295/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=5027729782167247295&amp;isPopup=true' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/5027729782167247295'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/5027729782167247295'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/02/tale-of-two-churches.html' title='A tale of two churches'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-1843374265647783622</id><published>2009-02-07T18:49:00.007+10:00</published><updated>2009-02-08T17:01:57.296+10:00</updated><title type='text'>The Thinker in the Street Corner</title><content type='html'>The importance of having some acquaintance with good philosophical skills and the ability to think philosophically can't be understated.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Philosophy is essentially common sense with a technical vocabulary to enable one to discuss the finer points.  Well, good philosophy anyhow.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And that's precisely what the problem has been for the past four hundred years.  Philosophy has become something for the birds.  It has no relation to what the man-in-the-street thinks.  "All that crazy stuff philosophers philosophize about" and it's a forgivable thought for much of it has been capable of such characterization.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is brilliantly summarised in the chapter on "The Approach to Thomism" in G K Chesterton's book "St Thomas Aquinas."  Please don't jump over this quote.  Chesterton is priceless reading.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Since the modern world began in the sixteenth century, nobody's system of philosophy has really corresponded to everybody's sense of reality: to what, if left to themselves, common men would call common sense. Each started with a paradox: a peculiar point of view demanding the sacrifice of what they would call a sane point of view. That is the one thing common to Hobbes and Hegel, to Kant and Bergson. to Berkeley and William James. A man had to believe something that no normal man would believe, if it were suddenly propounded to his simplicity; as that law is above right, or right is outside reason, or things are only as we think them, or everything is relative to a reality that is not there. The modern philosopher claims, like a sort of confidence man, that if once we will grant him this, the rest will be easy; he will straighten out the world, if once he is allowed to give this one twist to the mind."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If that's just wheting your appetite please also read this which follows shortly after (actually read the whole book):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"I am not, like Father D'Arcy, whose admirable book on St. Thomas has illuminated many problems for me, a trained philosopher, acquainted with the technique of the trade. But I hope Father D'Arcy will forgive me if I take one example from his book, which exactly illustrates what I mean. He, being a trained philosopher, is naturally trained to put up with philosophers. Also, being a trained priest, he is naturally accustomed, not only to suffer fools gladly, but (what is sometimes even harder) to suffer clever people gladly. Above all, his wide reading in metaphysics has made him patient with clever people when they indulge in folly. The consequence is that he can write calmly and even blandly sentences like these. "A certain likeness can be detected between the aim and method of St. Thomas and those of Hegel. There are, however, also remarkable differences. For St. Thomas it is impossible that contradictories should exist together, and again reality and intelligibility correspond, but a thing must first be, to be intelligible."  Let the man in the street be forgiven, if he adds that the "remarkable difference" seems to him to be that St. Thomas was sane and Hegel was mad."&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-1843374265647783622?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/1843374265647783622/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=1843374265647783622&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/1843374265647783622'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/1843374265647783622'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/02/thinker-in-street-corner.html' title='The Thinker in the Street Corner'/><author><name>Summa Theologiae</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02949182179505070796</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-6733629101360098971</id><published>2009-02-07T12:02:00.005+10:00</published><updated>2009-02-07T18:13:46.583+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Getting Hitched with Hitchens</title><content type='html'>A couple of days ago I made my first outing to St Paul's bookstore near the Cathedral.  Yes, for the first time.  It was a flight of curiosity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Like the Kingdom of Heaven I heard you find both the good and the bad in there and indeed that was the case.  But I wasn't prepared for &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;just how bad&lt;/span&gt; in some cases.  I don't mean the books by Joan Chittister  either (ahem, sister).  But rather, quite to my surprise several copies of one of Christopher Hitchen's lastest attempts at writing a book, namely "God is not so Great How Religion Poisons Everything."  Quite a surprising find I must say.  Well yes, I had a quick peek, only to discover a lot of drivel but it does raise the question of just why they would sell that kind of literature and make a profit out of it?  Where does one draw the line?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If the excuse is to let Catholics see the "other side" I must say that just doesn't cut it.  While we no longer have an index of forbidden books Catholics are still required to be responsible in their reading and not to endanger their faith.  To expose all and sundry's curiosity to such a book is not a good idea.  I don't think we'd play such a loose game if the matter were physical rather than spiritual health.  Secondly, I'm quite sure there are many other places such a book could be bought if someone is really that desperate (and desperate you'd have to be).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oh but I did also notice one small copy of a book that's supposed to answer all these atheists.  What a relief.  Diversity is saved.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-6733629101360098971?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/6733629101360098971/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=6733629101360098971&amp;isPopup=true' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/6733629101360098971'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/6733629101360098971'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/02/getting-hitched-with-hitchens.html' title='Getting Hitched with Hitchens'/><author><name>Summa Theologiae</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02949182179505070796</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-3693430323397238809</id><published>2009-02-05T22:11:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2009-02-05T22:20:18.339+10:00</updated><title type='text'>New Directions</title><content type='html'>You are probably wondering about the future of this blog.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Generally I am keeping it in the same direction as it has been going with general discussion on liturgical praxis and some comments upon current church politics. Hopefully I will get some new authors soon to provide some different perspectives. The idea being to liven up the debate a bit, and to put out some challenges to both hard line traditionalists and hardline liberals.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-3693430323397238809?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/3693430323397238809/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=3693430323397238809&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/3693430323397238809'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/3693430323397238809'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/02/new-directions.html' title='New Directions'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-8149344339129423606</id><published>2009-02-05T20:00:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2009-02-05T20:27:14.174+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Farewell to Roman</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="center"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;Thanks Roman for your final post and I pray for you in your new life as a seminarian.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="center"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="center"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="center"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;Being involved in this blog has demonstrated to me the power of the internet. Meeting Roman has enabled me to get involved with a wider spectrum of the church and I think that it has opened up a wider spectrum of the church for him. We have assisted together in a number of Masses ranging from solemn Masses in the extraordinary form, Reform-of-the-reform Masses in the ordinary form, Solemn Pontifical Masses (the most significant being the Pontifical Mass celebrated by H.E. Cardinal Levada Prefect of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith in the Cathedral) and the more left-wing weirdo Masses such as the annual "multicultural" Mass in the Archdiocese. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5299254851032544354" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 300px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 400px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SYq8NdoPdGI/AAAAAAAAAP8/qhdf55wCXw8/s400/DSCF0013.jpg" border="0" /&gt; &lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Cardinal Levada is received at St Stephens Cathedral, Brisbane 6th Sunday after Easter 2008&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Most importantly we learned from each other, and that is how liturgy goes through its organic growth through the ages. People corresponding with each other, experimenting with what works and what doesnt work, comparing notes and passing learnings on.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I remember that Benedict XVI, in his book &lt;em&gt;A New Song for the Lord &lt;/em&gt;recounts how he laid the cornerstone of the new seminary in Munich in 1981 and chose the following verse:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Like living stones let yourselves be built into a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. (1Pet. 2:5).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He goes on to describe how seminarians let themselves to be moulded like stones by the stonecutter, to enable that spiritual house to be built. The seminary life is that carving. I pray that he will be a holy priest who ministers not as some social worker in fancy dress (or in normal clothes like a lot of them are) but as a priest through who his parishioners see God, and through whom they humbly receive the sacraments.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-8149344339129423606?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/8149344339129423606/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=8149344339129423606&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8149344339129423606'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8149344339129423606'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/02/farewell-to-roman.html' title='Farewell to Roman'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SYq8NdoPdGI/AAAAAAAAAP8/qhdf55wCXw8/s72-c/DSCF0013.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-5267081481761658193</id><published>2009-02-03T23:26:00.013+10:00</published><updated>2009-02-04T00:38:35.468+10:00</updated><title type='text'>And the journey continues ever on</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style=";font-family:webdings;font-size:100%;"  &gt; &lt;span style=""&gt;I realise that it has been a while since I last posted on this weblog.  Unfortunately many things manage to conspire to keep the wicked at work.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At any rate with Roman's "retirement" it falls to myself and Stephen to keep the ball rolling that started over two years ago.  With that I intend to try and impart my own small contribution of momentum to the effort, God willing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Longtime devoted readers of this blog will recall my last posts which analyzed and critiqued certain sections of Richard Dawkin's &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The God Delusion&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; that dealt quite woefully with the five ways (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;quinque viae&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;) of St Thomas Aquinas.  Unfamiliar readers may like to go back and consult them.  You can find the main ones &lt;a href="http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2007/06/secularisms-growing-cloud.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;a href="http://http//et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2007/07/as-i-said-in-my-last-post-ill-be.html"&gt; here&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2007/07/to-infinity-and-beyond.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2007/11/fourth-way.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Needless to say my understanding of these matters has deepened appreciably since I last wrote these posts.  Today I would have written them differently.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally readers should feel free to raise any matters even slightly related to such posts even if they are just questions which they would like to see dealt with.  Philosophical inquiry thrives on a mutal exchange of ideas and the shared pursuit of the Truth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:webdings;font-size:100%;"  &gt;So here's hoping for some more philosophy in the future.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:times new roman;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:webdings;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-5267081481761658193?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/5267081481761658193/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=5267081481761658193&amp;isPopup=true' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/5267081481761658193'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/5267081481761658193'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/02/and-journey-continues-ever-on.html' title='And the journey continues ever on'/><author><name>Summa Theologiae</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02949182179505070796</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-1676454668666200825</id><published>2009-02-03T13:48:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2009-02-03T13:53:26.822+10:00</updated><title type='text'>My Final Blog post…..</title><content type='html'>Thank you dear readers for reading this blog, you have viewed and several of you have participated in my growth and formation in to a Catholic male. Clearly this is not the end of my growth; I have yet many, many year’s ahead of me. But I believe my formation is sufficient for the time being and sufficient enough for me to find my identity as a person and my identity with in the church.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You may have noticed at the start of this blog, I was a young fiery up-start, gloating of good on an MC I was, and spouting my ill informed and amateur observations of the church. I’d like to think that I have learned my lessons and have come along way since those days. I am still young and still in need of a proper formation, and perhaps a few more humbling experiences.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I wish to identify myself no longer as a traditionalist, or even a neo-conservative, but rather as a pure and straight Catholic. I have found very grievous and perilous flaws in both mentalities. Liberalism and poorly veiled Marxism are not very good fits for my mindset. Charismatics, Neocats, SedeVacantisis, Jansenists and Ultramontists, all have been on my journey so far, all of them tend to exult particular view points and mindsets, yet they all somehow fall down, at one stage or another. People within the church are very human or so I’ve gathered, they all seem to be divided against themselves, even those who are on the “side of the angels”. Yet somehow we retain at least the outward appearance of unity. The Orthodox and Anglicans, -well at least a few of them- I hold in great esteem, as they all have their particular gifts and charisms, yet they fail to unite themselves together.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Little enclaves of battle hardened and warped traditionalists, thousands of new movements spring up trying to reinvent the wheel, elitist homeschoolers and finally the old guard of the parishes who tend to have a more liberal outlook, and finally those who like to borrow complete ideas and mindsets from our separated brethren, all form the body of Christ in Australia. All of them either claim to be the flying the standard of the church with papal mandate or some sort of mandate (usually the holy spirit’s).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SYe_QvKd8dI/AAAAAAAACiY/hwreyhMaops/s1600-h/ignacy.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 240px; height: 320px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SYe_QvKd8dI/AAAAAAAACiY/hwreyhMaops/s320/ignacy.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5298413780883861970" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At the centre of all this, are our bishops. Men who have impossible positions,- apparently at their ordinations, a bull’s eye is painted on their backs. They tend to cop flak from all possible angles, either from the traditionalists demanding a return to so called “tradition” or the liberals demanding some outrageous idea (women priests, married priests, selling of church assets, the list goes on). These bishops are frequently ridiculed, mocked and harassed by overzealous faithfully (myself included on many occasions), yet they are the ones who are the ones who administer the best medicine for our souls. Perhaps the wisdom of some is lacking, or the actions, either way, these men are the best and brightest we have, they tend not to be too blunt and they certainly are aware of what lay people think. Spare a thought and a pray for them,: when ever they do something, everyone pipes up and says it’s wrong. I have learnt to have great respect for these men, no matter how “dissenting, liberal or far rightwing” they tend to be.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SYe_QheMW0I/AAAAAAAACiQ/tNFmV7ksK7k/s1600-h/x16.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 240px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SYe_QheMW0I/AAAAAAAACiQ/tNFmV7ksK7k/s320/x16.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5298413777208499010" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As a man interested in the liturgy, I tend to like both the ordinary and the extra ordinary form of the Roman rite,; both forms have the potential for a lot of liturgical fun. The Ukrainian rite and other venerable rites of the church, are not exactly substandard or foreign forms, -they are great treasures of the church. The Church revolves around Rome, but that doesn’t mean the Roman rite of the Mass is the be all and end all,; after all, Christ’s Passover would share more in common with the eastern rites, than those of the west.  Perhaps it would have been better for the “extra ordinary form” to have died out after the council,; this might of lead to a quicker reform of the reform, or perhaps it would have gone down hill. Either way, the church and history has judged a different verdict.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With this post I have committed a most grievous sin, I have spoken my mind. Yes, yes, I am just some smart assed kid who thinks he knows something. Perhaps some of you will scrupulously look over my post and point out its flaws and heresies (a certain jansenist I know certainly will). The reality is, or what I have come to as a conclusion is, we are all a very flawed people, we are all divided and we are all pushing our own ideological wheel barrows, but somehow we are all outsmarted enough or forced enough to be cooped up in the Bark of Peter. As much as we hate it, the strumming guitarist has to co-exist with the schola member; the traditional way has to co-exist with the new evangelisation. East has to put up with West and we all have to put up with the Charismatics. But perhaps it would be wise to return to the good old parish….&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This blog will continue to be maintained by my co-blogger Stephen, but I, at last, have decided to shut my big mouth and abandoned my enclave in cyber space. Where and What I am doing, should be bloody obvious to the learned among you. I leave for the next step of my journey, for my new adventures and for my continual formation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Good bye, God Bless and Pray for me&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Roman&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;P.S. comment now or forever hold your peace.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-1676454668666200825?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/1676454668666200825/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=1676454668666200825&amp;isPopup=true' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/1676454668666200825'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/1676454668666200825'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/02/my-final-blog-post.html' title='My Final Blog post…..'/><author><name>Roman433</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SYe_QvKd8dI/AAAAAAAACiY/hwreyhMaops/s72-c/ignacy.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-7834910957950145965</id><published>2009-02-01T22:19:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2009-02-01T22:29:16.323+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Discussion on Vatican II</title><content type='html'>I note that with the excommunications of the SSPX plus the 50th anniversary of the announcement of the Second Vatican Council, now there is discussion on what Vatican II was supposed to be.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I note also that the left wing of the church must be in defence mode because of this &lt;a href="http://www.catholica.com.au/forum/forum_entry.php?id=22213"&gt;article&lt;/a&gt; that I read, where to the lseft wing "Spirit of Vatican II" crowd we are not supposed to read the documents as they were written but to understand all the background arguments first before putting any credence on the actual documents. obviously they are finding the actual documents too "conservative".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is the same silly argument run by opponents of Vatican II (such as the SSPX) from the opposite tack.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hey guys - the documents are the documents that were voted on. Read them. There is no further interpretation, just further understanding. (btw I am one of the few people who have sat down and actually read them and hope to do so again during Lent).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By the way, much of the arguments around St Marys of Brisbane are actually around Vatican II and its interpretation. We wait to hear news on that count.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-7834910957950145965?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/7834910957950145965/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=7834910957950145965&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/7834910957950145965'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/7834910957950145965'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/02/discussion-on-vatican-ii.html' title='Discussion on Vatican II'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-2838680926813735822</id><published>2009-02-01T21:12:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2009-02-01T22:17:49.195+10:00</updated><title type='text'>A New Age</title><content type='html'>I was wondering whether to call this post "a new reformation" but I decided against that. Things are happening in the church so quickly now that I feel that the best analogy of the "barque of Peter" is that we are white water rafting, and Pope Benedict is our captain.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A couple of observations which continue from my previous post on the Church in Brisbane in 2059. On speaking to a couple of colleagues on the weekend was the observation that there are three main groupings or "demographics" that have emerged in the church today. These are:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;the cultural Catholics&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Catholics for tradition&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;charismatic Catholics&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;The first is the Catholics like my parents who were brought up in a closed Catholic community , and Catholicsm is denoted by family and parish ties. They are not all that religious, but insist on attending Mass because that is what they were brought up with (including the fact that not attending Sunday Mass is a mortal sin). They also place most emphasis on the tribal aspect of the Catholicism that they grew up with. This is interesting, because if you see sites such as Catholica, it is very strongly on the bent that the tribal aspect of the catholicism that they were brought up with (ie. Irish/Australian Catholicism) has to be preserved at all costs. All doctrine goes out the window to maintain the comfort of existing parish and community groups (ie so goes the argument that one sees on that website continually that we need married and female clergy, selected &lt;strong&gt;by the community&lt;/strong&gt; (or the tribe), to maintain the Eucharist on Sunday). Rome is seen as a hostile outsider.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It is predicted that this aspect of catholicism will fade with time , and varous estimates range from 20 years (mine) to 5 years before its extinction.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This leaves the other two groups , who will determine the church's future. As i mentioned before, these two groups will be in conflict but an interesting observation on the weekend was that the traditionalist communities do get people from charismatic groups looking for that added sense of mystery, so there is some cross-over and commonality.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I was inclined to call the second group of Catholics the Latin Mass Catholics but I widened it to all Catholics who are attached to the traditions of the church. This would broadly include both the strict Extraordinary form catholics as well as the reform-of the-reform movement. The latter is not visible in Brisbane but emerges through some of the different movements in the local church. Its outward manifestations include the use of mantillas by women, traditional devotions and Holy Communion exclusively received on the tongue.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-2838680926813735822?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/2838680926813735822/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=2838680926813735822&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/2838680926813735822'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/2838680926813735822'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/02/new-age.html' title='A New Age'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-7310017628438501573</id><published>2009-01-25T22:52:00.005+10:00</published><updated>2009-01-25T23:30:51.569+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Communion from the Tabernacle</title><content type='html'>&lt;div&gt;Acceptance and adoption of new directives such as the Australian bishops promulgation of the new GIRM, tend to take on some strange twists and emphases.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;One such instruction that has been interpreted literally by local priests is the instruction that Holy Communion MUST be from hosts consecrated at that particular Mass that the communicant is attending. If this does not happen some liturgists or priests who feel that they are liturgical authorities get very angry. In their view people MUST receive communion from bread and wine consecrated at that Mass. We will take a trip through history to see where this has come from.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;The earliest reference to the desirability comes from Pius XII in his encyclical Mediator Dei. He in turn quotes from Pope Benedict XIV (reigned 1740-1758).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5295217526941813090" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 346px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 400px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SXxkSRXKCWI/AAAAAAAAAPs/ipvo7gVGNEk/s400/519px-Benoit_XIV.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;"And although in addition to those to whom the celebrant gives a portion of the Victim he himself has offered in the Mass, they also participate in the same sacrifice to whom a priest distributes the Blessed Sacrament that has been reserved; however, the Church has not for this reason ever forbidden, nor does she now forbid, a celebrant to satisfy the piety and just request of those who, when present at Mass, want to become partakers of the same sacrifice, because they likewise offer it after their own manner, nay more, she approves of it and desires that it should not be omitted and would reprehend those priests through whose fault and negligence this participation would be denied to the faithful."(Encyclical Letter &lt;em&gt;Certiores effecti&lt;/em&gt;, par. 3.)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;Furthermore Pius XII states that :&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5295219672459858802" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 279px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 400px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SXxmPKChU3I/AAAAAAAAAP0/tQbw2Ly3Ipo/s400/Pacelli12.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Now it is very fitting, as the liturgy otherwise lays down, that the people receive holy communion after the priest has partaken of the divine repast upon the altar; and, as we have written above, they should be commended who, when present at Mass, receive hosts consecrated at the same Mass, so that it is actually verified, "that as many of us, as, at this altar, shall partake of and receive the most holy body and blood of thy Son, may be filled with every heavenly blessing and grace."[&lt;em&gt;Mediator Dei&lt;/em&gt; para 121].&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The constitution on the sacred liturgy &lt;em&gt;Sacrosanctum Concilium&lt;/em&gt; states that:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;That more perfect form of participation in the Mass whereby the faithful, after the priest's communion, receive the Lord's body from the same sacrifice, is strongly commended. (n55)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;which really is a repeat of &lt;em&gt;Mediator Dei.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The may 2007 edition of the GIRM states it again:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;It is most desirable that the faithful, just as the priest himself is bound to do, receive the Lord’s&lt;br /&gt;Body from hosts consecrated at the same Mass and that, in the instances when it is permitted, they partake of the chalice (cf. no. 283), so that even by means of the signs Communion will stand out more clearly as a participation in the sacrifice actually being celebrated (n85)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Note that the terms over the centuries are &lt;em&gt;desirable, strongly commended, fitting, desires&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;However, it is not something to get totally our liturgical nickers in a knot about if not everyone can receive from the hosts consecrated at Mass. It is good practice to provide as much as possible by estimating as accurately as one can, as to how many hosts are needed. What we need to wipe out is the remaining practices where all the hosts are got from the tabernacle.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-7310017628438501573?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/7310017628438501573/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=7310017628438501573&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/7310017628438501573'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/7310017628438501573'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/01/communion-from-tabernacle.html' title='Communion from the Tabernacle'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SXxkSRXKCWI/AAAAAAAAAPs/ipvo7gVGNEk/s72-c/519px-Benoit_XIV.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-580519119934869983</id><published>2009-01-24T15:59:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2009-01-24T17:13:39.909+10:00</updated><title type='text'>The Archdiocese of Brisbane in 2059</title><content type='html'>Now that a whole lot of urgent matters have now been set aside - time fro more blogging. Hopefully Roman will have some interesting photos and gossip from his travels.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This year we have launched upon the 150 anniversary celebrations of the Archdiocese of Brisbane. Given  all the &lt;a href="http://www.bne.catholic.net.au/asp/index.asp?pgid=11722"&gt;self congratulations&lt;/a&gt; it is worthy to reflect upon what possibilities that the next 50 to 100 years might bring. Here is a scenario. Like all future forecasting, it is dangerous to to hinge upon one single scenario, we do not know what is around the corner (look at the current financial crisis for example).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In 2059 I am sitting at my device or walking down the street thinking about the history of the Catholic Church whilst the device (previously called a computer) writing my thoughts.&lt;br /&gt;****&lt;br /&gt;Many changes came upon the archdiocese of Brisbane in the first half of the 21st century, with bigger impacts upon the archdiocese than the years following the second Vatican Council. The largest impact was the collapse of the priesthood in the archdiocese in the years 2010 to 2020, as the seminary continued to fail to attract students, and existing priests retired and died. the total staff of priests for the archdiocese shrank to around 30 (down from 150 in 2006). This had a number of flow-on effects. Although the laity assumed leadership in some parishes, this brought its own difficulties with the bishops having to mediate as some parishes split into warring factions. However, the impact was mitigated somewhat as the "silent" and "baby boomer" generation, (the generation brought up with the idea that not attending Sunday Mass was a mortal sin) died off but were not replaced by their children who had all left the church as soon as possible, and congregations shrank, and in some places collapsed also.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Most of the congregations consist of immigrants and converts which has led to a re-definition of the ethos of committed Catholicism. As many choose to be Catholic in culture as well as belief, the archdiocese overall in 2059 a lot more fundamentalist that it was 50 years previously. Part of this also has been a disenchantment with the liberal catholicism of their parents, as well as an adoption of "religion of choice" rather than being born into it. This tighter and more closed-in catholicism has resulted in more vocations to the priesthood and some of the new religious orders, particularly when far reaching reforms were made to the local seminary after 2010.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Liturgy changed as well with the launch of new English translation of the Roman Missal in 2010, and other reforms, the most controversial being the withdrawal of the indult allowing Communion in the hand by Pope Gregory XVII in 2025. The Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite was also revised in this period so that although it differs very little from the 1962 Missal of St John XXIII, the 2022 edition is the most common one used. It still appears unlikely that there will be a total blending of the two forms of the Roman Rite. However, some communities have abandoned table Altars and the celebration of the Eucharist facing the congregation, and have adopted some usages from each other.  There is still some tension between the two forms of the rite particularly coming from the charismatic communities.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The changing structure of the church has resulted in the parish system, as envisaged by Archbishop Duhig in the early part of the 20th century being almost disbanded and replaced by a more flexible missionary structure. Therefore people travel on Sunday to the church community that suits them, largely on the city metro system built between 2030 and 2050, as car travel is now too expensive for most families. The more established communities are led by the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter, who celebrate according to the extraordinary form of the Roman Rite in a handful of churches in Brisbane (eg. their parishes at St Brigids Red Hill, and St Marys at South Brisbane and St Lukes at Buranda, as well as their Mass Centres on the Gold and Sunshine Coasts) and the Neo-Catechumenal Way who minister in some of the bible-belt areas of Ipswich and Logan. The Legionaires of Christ and other groups also minister to communities formed out of the old parishes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The lasting legacy of the old parish system was the local catholic school (formerly called convent schools) which have continued to flourish. However, their links with the church are now only to do with property ownership and administration, as they have ceased their identity as Catholic schools, apart from their unique names which date back to the old parishes. Many of the adjoining churches and convents that they were based around are now demolished or converted into school halls. Catechists visit these schools on an occasional basis and this is a major activity of the priests during the week.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;****&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A realistic scenario? I would be interested in comments that anyone might have.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-580519119934869983?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/580519119934869983/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=580519119934869983&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/580519119934869983'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/580519119934869983'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/01/archdiocese-of-brisbane-in-2059.html' title='The Archdiocese of Brisbane in 2059'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-6667783826566821309</id><published>2009-01-05T16:07:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2009-01-05T16:52:04.197+10:00</updated><title type='text'>My retreat</title><content type='html'>&lt;meta equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"&gt;&lt;meta name="ProgId" content="Word.Document"&gt;&lt;meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 11"&gt;&lt;meta name="Originator" content="Microsoft Word 11"&gt;&lt;link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5CPeterrom%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsohtml1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml"&gt;&lt;o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PlaceName"&gt;&lt;/o:smarttagtype&gt;&lt;o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"&gt;&lt;/o:smarttagtype&gt;&lt;!--[if gte mso 9]&gt;&lt;xml&gt;  &lt;w:worddocument&gt;   &lt;w:view&gt;Normal&lt;/w:View&gt;   &lt;w:zoom&gt;0&lt;/w:Zoom&gt;   &lt;w:punctuationkerning/&gt;   &lt;w:validateagainstschemas/&gt;   &lt;w:saveifxmlinvalid&gt;false&lt;/w:SaveIfXMLInvalid&gt;   &lt;w:ignoremixedcontent&gt;false&lt;/w:IgnoreMixedContent&gt;   &lt;w:alwaysshowplaceholdertext&gt;false&lt;/w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText&gt;   &lt;w:compatibility&gt;    &lt;w:breakwrappedtables/&gt;    &lt;w:snaptogridincell/&gt;    &lt;w:wraptextwithpunct/&gt;    &lt;w:useasianbreakrules/&gt;    &lt;w:dontgrowautofit/&gt;   &lt;/w:Compatibility&gt;   &lt;w:browserlevel&gt;MicrosoftInternetExplorer4&lt;/w:BrowserLevel&gt;  &lt;/w:WordDocument&gt; &lt;/xml&gt;&lt;![endif]--&gt;&lt;!--[if gte mso 9]&gt;&lt;xml&gt;  &lt;w:latentstyles deflockedstate="false" latentstylecount="156"&gt;  &lt;/w:LatentStyles&gt; &lt;/xml&gt;&lt;![endif]--&gt;&lt;!--[if !mso]&gt;&lt;object classid="clsid:38481807-CA0E-42D2-BF39-B33AF135CC4D" id="ieooui"&gt;&lt;/object&gt; &lt;style&gt; st1\:*{behavior:url(#ieooui) } &lt;/style&gt; &lt;![endif]--&gt;&lt;style&gt; &lt;!--  /* Style Definitions */  p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal 	{mso-style-parent:""; 	margin:0cm; 	margin-bottom:.0001pt; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	font-size:12.0pt; 	font-family:"Times New Roman"; 	mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 	{size:612.0pt 792.0pt; 	margin:72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt 90.0pt; 	mso-header-margin:35.4pt; 	mso-footer-margin:35.4pt; 	mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 	{page:Section1;} --&gt; &lt;/style&gt;&lt;!--[if gte mso 10]&gt; &lt;style&gt;  /* Style Definitions */  table.MsoNormalTable 	{mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; 	mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; 	mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; 	mso-style-noshow:yes; 	mso-style-parent:""; 	mso-padding-alt:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt; 	mso-para-margin:0cm; 	mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	font-size:10.0pt; 	font-family:"Times New Roman"; 	mso-ansi-language:#0400; 	mso-fareast-language:#0400; 	mso-bidi-language:#0400;} &lt;/style&gt; &lt;![endif]--&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-AU"&gt;The first days of this New Year, I gave to my private retreat. I hope that my consecration of these few days to the Lord will set the tone of this year. Black Madonna, one of the &lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:placename st="on"&gt;Marian&lt;/st1:placename&gt;  &lt;st1:placename st="on"&gt;Valley&lt;/st1:placename&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt;’s retreat houses provided an almost monastic cell for these few days. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;I enjoyed having a few days where in a quiet and tranquil setting I could pray the hours, spend a large chunk of time conducting lectio divina and most importantly being absorbed in silence. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-AU"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-AU"&gt;Daily Mass and even a common recitation of vespers with one of the Pauline Monks was a great addition to my some what light schedule. Surprisingly the Pauline monks retain there somewhat eastern roots by chanting the office tono recto, very similar to my experience of the Byzantine office. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-AU"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-AU"&gt;As St Benedict stresses, the unity of prayer and work, was also a feature of my retreat, thanks in large part to an early morning storm, that allowed a good mornings work of clearing branches. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-AU"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-AU"&gt;Surprisingly I experience a quasi spiritual conference, with an Anglican priest, which yields unexpected fruit. I even asked for his blessing, regretting that I didn’t receive his first blessing after his ordination.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Marian Valley is a marvelous place to conduct a retreat, I hearty recommend it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Our Lady of Jasna Gora , Pray for us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-AU"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-6667783826566821309?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/6667783826566821309/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=6667783826566821309&amp;isPopup=true' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/6667783826566821309'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/6667783826566821309'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/01/my-retreat.html' title='My retreat'/><author><name>Roman433</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-3778464366123804239</id><published>2009-01-05T13:07:00.001+10:00</published><updated>2009-01-05T13:07:46.799+10:00</updated><title type='text'>The New Year</title><content type='html'>Let's begin the year with a hymn&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Veni, creátor Spíritus,&lt;br /&gt;mentes tuórum vísita,&lt;br /&gt;imple supérna grátia,&lt;br /&gt;quæ tu creásti péctora.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Qui díceris Paráclitus,&lt;br /&gt;altíssimi donum Dei,&lt;br /&gt;fons vivus, ignis, cáritas,&lt;br /&gt;et spiritális únctio.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Tu septifórmis múnere,&lt;br /&gt;dígitus patérnæ déxteræ,&lt;br /&gt;tu rite promíssum Patris,&lt;br /&gt;sermóne ditans gúttura.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Accénde lumen sénsibus,&lt;br /&gt;infúnde amórem córdibus,&lt;br /&gt;infírma nostri córporis&lt;br /&gt;virtúte firmans pérpeti.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hostem repéllas lóngius&lt;br /&gt;pacémque dones prótinus;&lt;br /&gt;ductóre sic te prǽvio&lt;br /&gt;vitémus omne nóxium.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Per Te sciámus da Patrem&lt;br /&gt;noscámus atque Fílium,&lt;br /&gt;teque utriúsque Spíritum&lt;br /&gt;credámus omni témpore.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Deo Patri sit glória,&lt;br /&gt;et Fílio, qui a mórtuis&lt;br /&gt;surréxit, ac Paráclito,&lt;br /&gt;in sæculórum sǽcula. Amen.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Watch this space....&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-3778464366123804239?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/3778464366123804239/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=3778464366123804239&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/3778464366123804239'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/3778464366123804239'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/01/new-year.html' title='The New Year'/><author><name>Roman433</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-8933353151752393355</id><published>2008-12-27T10:26:00.004+10:00</published><updated>2008-12-27T10:45:50.271+10:00</updated><title type='text'>The Apostolic Constitutions</title><content type='html'>I have managed to find an online copy of the &lt;a href="http://www.piney-2.com/DocAposConstitu.html"&gt;Apostolic Constitutions&lt;/a&gt; a document believed to have been compiled largely in Syria in the 4th century although there are a few distinctly Roman features in it. It is worth a read particularly the sections on the celebration of the Sacred Liturgy. The salient excerpt is follows (with my highlights) &lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;SEC. &lt;a name="VII"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;VII.--ON ASSEMBLING IN THE CHURCH.&lt;br /&gt;AN EXACT DESCRIPTION OF A CHURCH AND THE CLERGY, AND WHAT THINGS IN PARTICULAR EVERY ONE IS TO DO IN THE SOLEMN ASSEMBLIES OF THE CLERGY AND LAITY FOR, RELIGIOUS WORSHIP.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;em&gt;LVII. But be thou, O bishop, holy, unblameable, no striker, not soon angry, not cruel; but a builder up, a converter, apt to teach, forbear-ing of evil, of a gentle mind, meek, long-suffering, ready to exhort, ready to comfort, as a man of God. When thou callest an assembly of the Church as one that is the commander of a great ship, appoint the assemblies to be made with all possible skill, charging the deacons as mariners to prepare places for the brethren as for passengers, with all due care and decency. &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;em&gt;And first, let the building be long, with &lt;strong&gt;its head to the east&lt;/strong&gt;, with its vestries on both sides at the east end, and &lt;strong&gt;so it will be like a ship&lt;/strong&gt;. In the middle let the bishop's throne be placed,&lt;br /&gt;and on each side of him let the presbytery sit down; and let the deacons stand near at hand, in close and small girt garments, for they are like the mariners and managers of the ship: with regard to these, &lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;em&gt;let the laity sit on the other side, with all quietness and good order.&lt;br /&gt;And let the women sit by themselves, they also keeping silence. &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;And further on after a description of the liturgy of the Word: &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;em&gt;After this, &lt;strong&gt;let all rise up with one consent, and looking towards the east, after the catechumens and penitents are gone out, pray to God eastward&lt;/strong&gt;, who ascended up to the heaven of heavens to the east; remembering also the ancient situation of paradise in the east, from whence the first man, when he had yielded to the persuasion of the serpent, and disobeyed the command of God, was expelled.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;Now that our large liturgical celebrations are over, it being time to think of other things like getting out on the water and getting some sailing in.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;em&gt;Skandia&lt;/em&gt; is now in the lead in the Sydney to Hobart as I write.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5284263126977913714" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 400px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 266px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SVV5URc2o3I/AAAAAAAAAPM/RB2PFS5OHMs/s400/skandia.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5284263466305419474" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 400px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 266px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SVV5oBi1eNI/AAAAAAAAAPU/zW9RqLQIDhk/s400/skandia2.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;As servers we are deputising for the deacons. So we are like the crew of the ship, with the Bishop as its helmsman.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-8933353151752393355?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/8933353151752393355/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=8933353151752393355&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8933353151752393355'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8933353151752393355'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/12/apostolic-constitutions.html' title='The Apostolic Constitutions'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SVV5URc2o3I/AAAAAAAAAPM/RB2PFS5OHMs/s72-c/skandia.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-6552451151144631555</id><published>2008-12-25T14:34:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2008-12-25T17:57:50.708+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Christmas 08</title><content type='html'>&lt;meta equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"&gt;&lt;meta name="ProgId" content="Word.Document"&gt;&lt;meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 11"&gt;&lt;meta name="Originator" content="Microsoft Word 11"&gt;&lt;link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5CPeterrom%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsohtml1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml"&gt;&lt;!--[if gte mso 9]&gt;&lt;xml&gt;  &lt;w:worddocument&gt;   &lt;w:view&gt;Normal&lt;/w:View&gt;   &lt;w:zoom&gt;0&lt;/w:Zoom&gt;   &lt;w:punctuationkerning/&gt;   &lt;w:validateagainstschemas/&gt;   &lt;w:saveifxmlinvalid&gt;false&lt;/w:SaveIfXMLInvalid&gt;   &lt;w:ignoremixedcontent&gt;false&lt;/w:IgnoreMixedContent&gt;   &lt;w:alwaysshowplaceholdertext&gt;false&lt;/w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText&gt;   &lt;w:compatibility&gt;    &lt;w:breakwrappedtables/&gt;    &lt;w:snaptogridincell/&gt;    &lt;w:wraptextwithpunct/&gt;    &lt;w:useasianbreakrules/&gt;    &lt;w:dontgrowautofit/&gt;   &lt;/w:Compatibility&gt;   &lt;w:browserlevel&gt;MicrosoftInternetExplorer4&lt;/w:BrowserLevel&gt;  &lt;/w:WordDocument&gt; &lt;/xml&gt;&lt;![endif]--&gt;&lt;!--[if gte mso 9]&gt;&lt;xml&gt;  &lt;w:latentstyles deflockedstate="false" latentstylecount="156"&gt;  &lt;/w:LatentStyles&gt; &lt;/xml&gt;&lt;![endif]--&gt;&lt;style&gt; &lt;!--  /* Style Definitions */  p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal 	{mso-style-parent:""; 	margin:0cm; 	margin-bottom:.0001pt; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	font-size:12.0pt; 	font-family:"Times New Roman"; 	mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 	{size:612.0pt 792.0pt; 	margin:72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt 90.0pt; 	mso-header-margin:36.0pt; 	mso-footer-margin:36.0pt; 	mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 	{page:Section1;} --&gt; &lt;/style&gt;&lt;!--[if gte mso 10]&gt; &lt;style&gt;  /* Style Definitions */  table.MsoNormalTable 	{mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; 	mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; 	mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; 	mso-style-noshow:yes; 	mso-style-parent:""; 	mso-padding-alt:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt; 	mso-para-margin:0cm; 	mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	font-size:10.0pt; 	font-family:"Times New Roman"; 	mso-ansi-language:#0400; 	mso-fareast-language:#0400; 	mso-bidi-language:#0400;} &lt;/style&gt; &lt;![endif]--&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-AU"&gt;Four weeks ago we began the advent season, a time for prayer and reflection in preparation for Christmas. Advent was a time for us; in the words of St John the Baptist to prepare a way for the Lord. Advent has an important eschatological theme, Christ will return, he will come again as he once did, no longer as the infant, but rather as the pantocrator, the just judge. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Now at last Christmas has arr&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-AU"&gt;ived. Did Christmas spring up on us like the thief in the night, or did we come prepared to welcome the joyful feast? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-AU"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-AU"&gt;The liturgical cycle, is to show us the history of salvation so that we learn our history, but it is also a tool to prepare us to those last hours of our lives and the hour of our judgement. The Christmas story is filled with multiple messages, one of such is if there is room, just as the holy family wer&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-AU"&gt;e seeking a room to spend the night on the first Christmas eve, so too now does Christ look to see if there is any room in the inn of our Hearts. The Lord of all creation somehow does not take up much room, just a little manger, but somehow he is too big for even the weekends of our lives….&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-AU"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-AU"&gt;“Today Christ is born, today the saviour has appeared; today the angels sing on earth, the archangels rejoice; today upright men shout out for joy: Glory be to God&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;on high, alleluia.” &lt;b style=""&gt;Magnificat ant of Vespers II of Christmas&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SVMOzo-87BI/AAAAAAAACgU/DZtEBCe3sqU/s1600-h/Sunday+30+December+2007+101.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 240px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SVMOzo-87BI/AAAAAAAACgU/DZtEBCe3sqU/s320/Sunday+30+December+2007+101.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5283583068173298706" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;meta equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"&gt;&lt;meta name="ProgId" content="Word.Document"&gt;&lt;meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 11"&gt;&lt;meta name="Originator" content="Microsoft Word 11"&gt;&lt;link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5CPeterrom%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsohtml1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml"&gt;&lt;!--[if gte mso 9]&gt;&lt;xml&gt;  &lt;w:worddocument&gt;   &lt;w:view&gt;Normal&lt;/w:View&gt;   &lt;w:zoom&gt;0&lt;/w:Zoom&gt;   &lt;w:punctuationkerning/&gt;   &lt;w:validateagainstschemas/&gt;   &lt;w:saveifxmlinvalid&gt;false&lt;/w:SaveIfXMLInvalid&gt;   &lt;w:ignoremixedcontent&gt;false&lt;/w:IgnoreMixedContent&gt;   &lt;w:alwaysshowplaceholdertext&gt;false&lt;/w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText&gt;   &lt;w:compatibility&gt;    &lt;w:breakwrappedtables/&gt;    &lt;w:snaptogridincell/&gt;    &lt;w:wraptextwithpunct/&gt;    &lt;w:useasianbreakrules/&gt;    &lt;w:dontgrowautofit/&gt;   &lt;/w:Compatibility&gt;   &lt;w:browserlevel&gt;MicrosoftInternetExplorer4&lt;/w:BrowserLevel&gt;  &lt;/w:WordDocument&gt; &lt;/xml&gt;&lt;![endif]--&gt;&lt;!--[if gte mso 9]&gt;&lt;xml&gt;  &lt;w:latentstyles deflockedstate="false" latentstylecount="156"&gt;  &lt;/w:LatentStyles&gt; &lt;/xml&gt;&lt;![endif]--&gt;&lt;style&gt; &lt;!--  /* Style Definitions */  p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal 	{mso-style-parent:""; 	margin:0cm; 	margin-bottom:.0001pt; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	font-size:12.0pt; 	font-family:"Times New Roman"; 	mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 	{size:612.0pt 792.0pt; 	margin:72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt 90.0pt; 	mso-header-margin:36.0pt; 	mso-footer-margin:36.0pt; 	mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 	{page:Section1;} --&gt; &lt;/style&gt;&lt;!--[if gte mso 10]&gt; &lt;style&gt;  /* Style Definitions */  table.MsoNormalTable 	{mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; 	mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; 	mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; 	mso-style-noshow:yes; 	mso-style-parent:""; 	mso-padding-alt:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt; 	mso-para-margin:0cm; 	mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	font-size:10.0pt; 	font-family:"Times New Roman"; 	mso-ansi-language:#0400; 	mso-fareast-language:#0400; 	mso-bidi-language:#0400;} &lt;/style&gt; &lt;![endif]--&gt;  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="EN-AU"&gt;To all my dear readers, I wish to pass on my warmest Christmas wishes, &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Merry Christmas and a happy new year, I look back fondly on our many blogging adventures. I invite all my readers to share with us in the comment section just a little about who they are and why they read this blog .(I have a suspicion that people read this blog).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;span style="" lang="EN-AU"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-6552451151144631555?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/6552451151144631555/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=6552451151144631555&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/6552451151144631555'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/6552451151144631555'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/12/christmas-08.html' title='Christmas 08'/><author><name>Roman433</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SVMOzo-87BI/AAAAAAAACgU/DZtEBCe3sqU/s72-c/Sunday+30+December+2007+101.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-8151781720550517815</id><published>2008-12-25T07:04:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2008-12-25T07:07:54.101+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Felix Nativitas!!</title><content type='html'>Felix Nativitas et pax vobis!! to all our readers of this blog.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We will have more pics and comment in the new year for you to enjoy and comment on.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-8151781720550517815?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/8151781720550517815/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=8151781720550517815&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8151781720550517815'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8151781720550517815'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/12/felix-nativitas.html' title='Felix Nativitas!!'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-213555087277441275</id><published>2008-12-18T22:42:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2008-12-18T23:14:06.585+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Here is a dying Church</title><content type='html'>On &lt;a href="http://www.cathnews.com/article.aspx?aeid=10786"&gt;Cathnews&lt;/a&gt; there is an article on the Parish of Caloundra on Queensland's Sunshine Coast cancelling Midnight Mass. Now for those of you around the world, Caloundra parish is the next closest thing to St Mary's in South Brisbane. When I last attended Mass there a few years ago the Roman Rite was almost unrecognisable, and I felt incredibly alienated by a liturgy that I did not understand. To top it off my sister accused me of being "un-christian" when I refused to talk to the person next to me before Mass when instructed to do so by the whoever that was at the ambo.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For those of you not familiar to the area Caloundra, (or rather Catholic Caloundra) is basically God's waiting room. The congregation is very elderly. They are ministered to by elderly priests, who are very much locked into a revolutionary post Vatican II mindset, and see any other opposing opinion as evil.  This flows right through into the arrangement of the church and the liturgy. Actually you see here what Pope Benedict calls the "desintegration of liturgy". I will not bore you with details, you can go into the St Marys website to see that, the only difference here is that the liturgy is mainly done by 70 to 90 year old women.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After internal desintegration, here we see the first signs of a  parish's corporate worship starting to disintegrate on the outside. The parish community is too old to attend a midnight Mass. The priests are too old to celebrate midnight Mass. The community feels isolated and at risk because of the drunks (pretty all of whom would have no religious belief), and the neighbours. As the community ages further it will reduce in numbers (there is really nothing attractive about the style of liturgies), and the priests will retire. The liturgies will reduce in number. It is then likely to fade away with a small "rump" left of Vatican II hippies living in the past.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The question is then what replaces it? Will the local church regenerate into a small strong church that is attractive young and welcoming??&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Incidently at our local Cathedral there is one pub very close by. (There used to be two before one burnt down). We have not have any problem with drunks at all. Maybe because that the odd few drunks have to contend with a crowd of over 1,000 worshippers, and the incense chases them away. A verse comes to mind:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;"There was 2 against 2000, and when the smoke finally settled we had beaten the shit out of both of them"&lt;/em&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-213555087277441275?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/213555087277441275/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=213555087277441275&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/213555087277441275'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/213555087277441275'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/12/here-is-dying-church.html' title='Here is a dying Church'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-4832990753957698942</id><published>2008-12-18T22:31:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2008-12-18T22:42:01.769+10:00</updated><title type='text'>The Propers of the Season (Anglican chant)</title><content type='html'>Here is a good one from the Hermeneutic of Continuity blogspot. I just love Anglican chant!&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="320" height="265"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/4z2jwDcb9wI&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/4z2jwDcb9wI&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="320" height="265"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-4832990753957698942?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/4832990753957698942/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=4832990753957698942&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/4832990753957698942'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/4832990753957698942'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/12/propers-of-season-anglican-chant.html' title='The Propers of the Season (Anglican chant)'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-8099067899645751212</id><published>2008-12-18T09:31:00.004+10:00</published><updated>2008-12-18T10:39:34.057+10:00</updated><title type='text'>The Cassock and Surplice</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"The Priory is wondering how business is going. Do you think you should share your gothic surplice or is it special? What is the market like? Do you have much competition from those who offer training services with appareled alb ? Is the financial crisis having an adverse effect? Is it still bringing home the bacon?"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well, I have two Gothic Surplices, one I frequently loan out to others, the other I reserve for myself, expect for a few occasions such as for a priest for his first blessing and for the use of the mad Franciscan during the ACCC conference.  The Market is almost non-existent,  Modern parishes find my services too traditional, or too far beyond what there used to.  As for competition, my services also extent to appareled albs... but alas it is far to difficult to organizes three matching apparaled albs, as well as being far to prentcious to be the only one on the altar in apparales (tend to look better then most celebrants). In regards to the crisis, perhaps if business was booming, the effect might be felt, but jobs are far and few between.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As I mentioned at the priory, just in case someone wants to be a stick in the mud... (I'm looking at a partuclar Benedictine oblate as well as a few self rightous Latin Massers) I am not serving for money or financial benefit, that's sinful, stupid and down right non profitable, just pointing out the obvious to some. (Cough, Cough)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"And finally, any pre-Mass superstitions? Like pouring the wine into the cruets before the water?"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A few, such as if the Indian is late, then all hell will break loose,  Don't work with animmals and Children and make sure you put out a lavabo towel, otherwise the celebrant will use the slevee of your alb to dry his hands.  Post Mass superstitions would involve not letting certain servers leave too early, they undoubtly will try to flirt with women using the pickup line "Did you see up there, I was the thurifer smoking the place out, you should come next week, I'll be the MC then"...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SUmZSivTX1I/AAAAAAAACgE/2HMoLSttyL8/s1600-h/DSCF7276.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 240px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SUmZSivTX1I/AAAAAAAACgE/2HMoLSttyL8/s320/DSCF7276.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5280920581910519634" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Finally just a word of advice to parishes, priests and to Catholic education. Servers are great, not only do they promote vocations (if they are male), but they do serve practical purposes (such as helping out at benediction) and they tend to look better then draftee laybodys who want to be involved (or are rather forced)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SUmbKeKqMAI/AAAAAAAACgM/zdCPoTvOr74/s1600-h/DSCF8020.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 240px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SUmbKeKqMAI/AAAAAAAACgM/zdCPoTvOr74/s320/DSCF8020.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5280922642267385858" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-8099067899645751212?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/8099067899645751212/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=8099067899645751212&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8099067899645751212'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8099067899645751212'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/12/cassock-and-surplice.html' title='The Cassock and Surplice'/><author><name>Roman433</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SUmZSivTX1I/AAAAAAAACgE/2HMoLSttyL8/s72-c/DSCF7276.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-3772304465340809819</id><published>2008-12-17T10:17:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2008-12-17T10:40:25.494+10:00</updated><title type='text'>New Advertising</title><content type='html'>Our friends at the priory have quite laudably and quite unexpectedly done our post about a humble little blog here.  Quite surprisingly they have written praises that I fear we do not deserve, or at least I do not, perhaps I should post a few more times before I retire to my hermitage.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our friends join the ranks of the many who have noticed my permanent add about the server for hire. Perhaps a brief history lesson is in order about it's origins. Not to long ago, Rev Albert Speer and I were discussing my blog before his Weekly low Mass at a secret location...... needless to say I was wearing my appareled alb..... and he was wearing mountains of lace, a cardboard sandwich and a funny hat.   Rev Albert suggested I do an Australian version of Traditio, I kindly declined the offer saying that it was already done by the learnared Coo ees. Having shot down his previous idea, Rev Albert then suggest I do an advertisment say "Have cassock and surplice will travel". I agreed and decided to put one up on the blog....&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Where has it got me so far? Well unfortunatly business is slow. A kind hearted Dominican, who belives me to be a little version of himself has requested me to serve his ordination.... unfortunatly he only agreed to pay my bus fare to it. This has been the only case of business that the blog has generated. Closer to home a local Jesuit requested that I sever the ACCC confrerence in Brisbane, a few fun adventures were had, but the yeild was only a grand total of $50.... which was promply divided with my sidekick... and spent on sun glasses and a fabric belt.&lt;br /&gt;Finally the local parish and the Charismatic mother of my school captain, offered to have my serve the 13th Fatmia devotions in the local parish. After 3hrs of offkey music, praying in tounges, forgetting the lavabo towel and discussing laity with the parish priest, I had $35 dollars thrust into my hand....&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I do belive I have come a long way from my former days at the Polish Church.. being paid a megar $10 a year.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'll leave the twenty question till the next post. Must run I have a potential client to meet with.... Sharpey !&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-3772304465340809819?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/3772304465340809819/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=3772304465340809819&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/3772304465340809819'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/3772304465340809819'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/12/new-advertising.html' title='New Advertising'/><author><name>Roman433</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-7319879100676772882</id><published>2008-12-12T21:46:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2008-12-12T21:53:13.507+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Some Recent Comments on Celebration Ad-orientem</title><content type='html'>Over at the New Litugical Movement, there have been some interesting comments by priests and bishops introducing ad-orientem celebration.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;This ancient practice also avoids giving the impression that the priest and the congregation are engaged in a conversation about God, rather than the worship of God. The third reason was that it reduces the temptation to regard the celebrant as an actor on a liturgical stage. When he and the congregation together face forward to Christ, it makes it easier to visualize that the priest is offering the Mass in the person of Christ.&lt;/em&gt; Bp Edward Slattery Dioces of Tulsa, Oklahoma&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;Why? To restore a healthy sense of the sacred, the transcendent. So that this is not perceived as a social hour or “Entertainment Tonight”, but the Church’s worship of the triune God.&lt;/em&gt; Fr. Peter Stravinskas&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-7319879100676772882?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/7319879100676772882/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=7319879100676772882&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/7319879100676772882'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/7319879100676772882'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/12/some-recent-comments-on-celebration-ad.html' title='Some Recent Comments on Celebration Ad-orientem'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-7272211515215508247</id><published>2008-12-11T21:39:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2008-12-11T22:03:11.755+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Thomas Merton</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SUD-Ub_fhXI/AAAAAAAAAPE/2up1AGXlrKA/s1600-h/merton_s.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5278498390343124338" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 275px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 350px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SUD-Ub_fhXI/AAAAAAAAAPE/2up1AGXlrKA/s400/merton_s.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;Since high school I have been interested in the spirituality of Thomas Merton. I was reminded today that it is the 40th anniversary of his death.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;Books that I have of his are &lt;em&gt;A Thomas Merton Reader&lt;/em&gt; (an anthology), &lt;em&gt;The Sign of Jonas&lt;/em&gt;, and &lt;em&gt;The Monastic Journey &lt;/em&gt;and&lt;em&gt; The Way of Lao Tzu. &lt;/em&gt;They have all been of use in my own spiritual journey, particualrly through my teenage years. It was he who was my spiritual guide through discerning my own vocation (which I found was not the cistercian one), in getting into the habit of reading the Office daily, and in getting in touch with who I really am. He introduced me to the desert fathers, and the great cistercian writers such as St Aelred of Rievaulx and Isaac of Stella, all of whom I still enjoy.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My main criticism of his writings is that they sometimes got too introspective about techniques of contemplation. Some of the traditionals/conservatives dont like him because he dabbled in eastern religions, and went all hippy in his hermitage. This is not correct. He kept to his catholic faith and was very orthodox but made the effort to reach out to others. In that he actually found that in terms of spiritual discipline, other religions have a lot in common with ours. Some of them like Zen are a lot more strict. He found echoes of Zen running through strands of Catholicism particularly in the spitituality of St John of the Cross. I actually find St John of the Cross and the great Zen master Dogen as equally obscure.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is a good short &lt;a href="http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/episodes/by-faith/catholic/episode-no-1212-profile-thomas-merton/1378/"&gt;doco&lt;/a&gt; that I found through &lt;a href="http://whispersintheloggia.blogspot.com/"&gt;Whispers in the Loggia&lt;/a&gt; which gives a good overview of his life.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-7272211515215508247?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/7272211515215508247/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=7272211515215508247&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/7272211515215508247'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/7272211515215508247'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/12/thomas-merton.html' title='Thomas Merton'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SUD-Ub_fhXI/AAAAAAAAAPE/2up1AGXlrKA/s72-c/merton_s.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-1821375187804698816</id><published>2008-11-27T21:48:00.004+10:00</published><updated>2008-12-04T21:45:14.940+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Vestments, Do we need them?</title><content type='html'>&lt;meta equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"&gt;&lt;meta name="ProgId" content="Word.Document"&gt;&lt;meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 11"&gt;&lt;meta name="Originator" content="Microsoft Word 11"&gt;&lt;link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5CPeterrom%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsohtml1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml"&gt;&lt;!--[if gte mso 9]&gt;&lt;xml&gt;  &lt;w:worddocument&gt;   &lt;w:view&gt;Normal&lt;/w:View&gt;   &lt;w:zoom&gt;0&lt;/w:Zoom&gt;   &lt;w:punctuationkerning/&gt;   &lt;w:validateagainstschemas/&gt;   &lt;w:saveifxmlinvalid&gt;false&lt;/w:SaveIfXMLInvalid&gt;   &lt;w:ignoremixedcontent&gt;false&lt;/w:IgnoreMixedContent&gt;   &lt;w:alwaysshowplaceholdertext&gt;false&lt;/w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText&gt;   &lt;w:compatibility&gt;    &lt;w:breakwrappedtables/&gt;    &lt;w:snaptogridincell/&gt;    &lt;w:wraptextwithpunct/&gt;    &lt;w:useasianbreakrules/&gt;    &lt;w:dontgrowautofit/&gt;   &lt;/w:Compatibility&gt;   &lt;w:browserlevel&gt;MicrosoftInternetExplorer4&lt;/w:BrowserLevel&gt;  &lt;/w:WordDocument&gt; &lt;/xml&gt;&lt;![endif]--&gt;&lt;!--[if gte mso 9]&gt;&lt;xml&gt;  &lt;w:latentstyles deflockedstate="false" latentstylecount="156"&gt;  &lt;/w:LatentStyles&gt; &lt;/xml&gt;&lt;![endif]--&gt;&lt;style&gt; &lt;!--  /* Style Definitions */  p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal 	{mso-style-parent:""; 	margin:0cm; 	margin-bottom:.0001pt; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	font-size:12.0pt; 	font-family:"Times New Roman"; 	mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 	{size:612.0pt 792.0pt; 	margin:72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt 90.0pt; 	mso-header-margin:36.0pt; 	mso-footer-margin:36.0pt; 	mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 	{page:Section1;} --&gt; &lt;/style&gt;&lt;!--[if gte mso 10]&gt; &lt;style&gt;  /* Style Definitions */  table.MsoNormalTable 	{mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; 	mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; 	mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; 	mso-style-noshow:yes; 	mso-style-parent:""; 	mso-padding-alt:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt; 	mso-para-margin:0cm; 	mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; 	mso-pagination:widow-orphan; 	font-size:10.0pt; 	font-family:"Times New Roman"; 	mso-ansi-language:#0400; 	mso-fareast-language:#0400; 	mso-bidi-language:#0400;} &lt;/style&gt; &lt;![endif]--&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Not too long ago, I found myself in a discussion with one of the local&lt;br /&gt;youth group leaders. It turned out to be quite an interesting discussion,&lt;br /&gt;and it turned out that we were both interested in Liturgy. Eventually we got onto the&lt;br /&gt;topic of vestments, and my other friend chimed in about the vestments&lt;br /&gt;we use for the first Friday vigil. The question, why do we&lt;br /&gt;wear appareled amices (as well as why do we use so many candles) was asked.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My response was because they look good. The conversation kept going until,&lt;br /&gt;the question grew to; why do we wear amices, why do we wear cinctures and why&lt;br /&gt;do we wear cassocks underneath it all, an alb alone suffices. Quite right, the GIRM,&lt;br /&gt;only mandates that just an alb be used and if it is constructed as not to require a cincture&lt;br /&gt;and amice, then they are not required, as they serve no practical purpose. In the same way, a certain Latin Mass Chaplin I know thinks of the maniple, as not having any useful purpose; it’s just a useless ornament.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;I responded, “well if you think about it, all the vestments serve no practical purpose”. These days we no longer need a chasuble to shield us from the elements, we don’t need a robe, a hood, or a belt, as well as two different forms of handkerchiefs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Vestments for all intents and purposes, serve no useful purpose - the same can be said of incense, candles and churches, or for that matter religion (science can explain everything after all). You can all see where this is going, a very nihilistic end. “No so, the stole is still useful, it’s a mark of authority” was his response. But by that logic, then the chasuble, since it is a mark of charity is useful, same can be said of the chastity of the cincture, or the protection of the helm of salvation (Amice). Vestments suddenly take on meanings, beyond the mundane. They become symbols of heavenly realities.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Drama, evolved from liturgy, the ancient Greek plays were forms of worship of the gods. So just as the actor today puts on a costume and uses props, so to do our priests wear vestments and uses liturgical gear. The actor puts on a costume to be someone else. So does the priest and his ministers, they put on “Christ” , charity or as St Paul wishes to call it, the “armor of salvation”. &lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SS6TZz078WI/AAAAAAAACf0/c85ffLlYV7Y/s1600-h/IMGP4583+a.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 240px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SS6TZz078WI/AAAAAAAACf0/c85ffLlYV7Y/s320/IMGP4583+a.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5273314285315682658" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;We believe that the sacraments convey grace. They are more then just the symbols we see, and the same can be said of vestments. Perhaps the priest, who only wears his stole, relies on his authority, or perhaps the priest who makes a point of wearing the cincture fosters chastity in his life. When we look from this angle, things suddenly become clear. Would there be some hidden agenda show by the priest refusing to wear the chasuble? &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SS6TacrsV8I/AAAAAAAACf8/usrs_hevJY4/s1600-h/18+may+2008+020.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 240px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SS6TacrsV8I/AAAAAAAACf8/usrs_hevJY4/s320/18+may+2008+020.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5273314296282765250" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Vestments are symbolic, that’s why I prefer Gothic vestments, and they are fuller signs of the realities they represent. The long flowing chasuble is a better sign of the charity that should envelop all, the appareled amice gives us a better understanding of the term helmet of salvation, and the fullness of the surplice communicates to us more effectively the great baptismal grace we all receive.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Vestments are hot, bothersome and impractical, but then again, so is religion…….&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-1821375187804698816?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/1821375187804698816/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=1821375187804698816&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/1821375187804698816'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/1821375187804698816'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/11/vestments-do-we-need-them.html' title='Vestments, Do we need them?'/><author><name>Roman433</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SS6TZz078WI/AAAAAAAACf0/c85ffLlYV7Y/s72-c/IMGP4583+a.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-9059988771075262527</id><published>2008-11-26T18:59:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2008-11-26T19:15:32.601+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Don't worry, it's just bread after all</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SS0QfbQZXuI/AAAAAAAACfs/QtUH2vntxxQ/s1600-h/DSCF8097.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 240px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SS0QfbQZXuI/AAAAAAAACfs/QtUH2vntxxQ/s320/DSCF8097.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5272888870799236834" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;I reinforce what Stephan has said regarding Catholic Education.....&lt;br /&gt;Perhaps if the mystery of faith was presented in a more serious way....&lt;br /&gt;And maybe if we refrain from dropping the most precious treasure of our faith...&lt;br /&gt;As well as handing it and passing it around as if it were mere bread....&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-9059988771075262527?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/9059988771075262527/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=9059988771075262527&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/9059988771075262527'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/9059988771075262527'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/11/dont-worry-its-just-bread-after-all.html' title='Don&apos;t worry, it&apos;s just bread after all'/><author><name>Roman433</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SS0QfbQZXuI/AAAAAAAACfs/QtUH2vntxxQ/s72-c/DSCF8097.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-1849318713525241156</id><published>2008-11-21T21:30:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2008-11-21T22:04:12.815+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Thoughts on why young people leave the Church</title><content type='html'>There were a couple of things this week which got me thinking about why young people (particualrly those who go to Catholic schools) opt out at end of school or have well and truly opted out before leaving school. As &lt;a href="http://www.cathnews.com/article.aspx?aeid=10265"&gt;Bishop Holohan&lt;/a&gt; of Bunbury said earlier this week, Confirmation has become the "Sacrament of Farewell".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;People have put all sorts of reasons to this. The conservatives say that it is because the Church offers no challenges to young people and liberals say it is because the church is too conservative; and there is an element of truth in either argument.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, a lot of the blame can be placed at the foot of modern approaches to the liturgy. After hearing Roman's description of his Graduation Mass, I thought of other Masses that I attended at school - thankfully they were not as outrageous. The liturgists have to extend themselves a little bit further all the time so that now they have a Mass of totally all their own creation. The emphasis is on what they can create and understand in the their own narrow world (ie. the Brisbane housewife approach to liturgy) and do not open up to the wider church and the cosmos. The Mass has then degenerated into a self-affirmation, or self-worship session.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was serving at a Mass for an inner city Catholic School a few years ago. Although in the words of the headmaster that many of the students were "unchurched", all of these "unchurched" people were given tasks in the litugy presumably to be "inclusive". The order of Service book was more alppalling in that it had a description of the Mass (obviously to help the "unchurched" students) which was along the lines of "we first tell stories and then we share a meal together".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This, combined with my own experience at school, brings me to the conclusion of what is the reality. Catholicism, is so completely dumbed down when it it presented to high school students that it ceases to have any credibility at all. To a 15 year old "telling stories and sharing a meal" has no meaning and makes Catholicism look absurd. How can anyone call it a serious and credible belief system compared to any of the great religions of the world? How could any of this be of use to ones relationship with God? How does the faith have any relationship with western philosophy and thought?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To be frank, the Roman Catholic Church in Brisbane is killing itself. As the generations of un-churched parents send their un-churched kids to Catholic schools, in which a parody of the faith is presented, the church will find it harder to think that the Catholic schools are a tool for evangelisation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Prepare for a very very small church in Brisbane in the future.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-1849318713525241156?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/1849318713525241156/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=1849318713525241156&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/1849318713525241156'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/1849318713525241156'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/11/thoughts-on-why-young-people-leave.html' title='Thoughts on why young people leave the Church'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-3416653962603423231</id><published>2008-11-15T11:54:00.005+10:00</published><updated>2008-11-15T13:30:58.469+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Ukrianians at Marian Valley</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SR4thPwWkEI/AAAAAAAACeY/b0_VkWRnpV4/s1600-h/DSCF7014.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 240px; height: 320px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SR4thPwWkEI/AAAAAAAACeY/b0_VkWRnpV4/s320/DSCF7014.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5268698663258329154" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SR4tha8nclI/AAAAAAAACeg/SjYhMjsHhNg/s1600-h/DSCF7028.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 240px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SR4tha8nclI/AAAAAAAACeg/SjYhMjsHhNg/s320/DSCF7028.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5268698666262557266" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SR4th9dMGfI/AAAAAAAACew/Ibzjdu8cw9w/s1600-h/DSCF7053.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 240px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SR4th9dMGfI/AAAAAAAACew/Ibzjdu8cw9w/s320/DSCF7053.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5268698675525982706" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SR4thovfrKI/AAAAAAAACeo/chYIyGJqeZo/s1600-h/DSCF7047.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 240px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SR4thovfrKI/AAAAAAAACeo/chYIyGJqeZo/s320/DSCF7047.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5268698669965618338" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SR4tiYBWHBI/AAAAAAAACe4/lSIup_xhYT4/s1600-h/DSCF7097.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 240px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SR4tiYBWHBI/AAAAAAAACe4/lSIup_xhYT4/s320/DSCF7097.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5268698682656955410" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SR5A-w6AmBI/AAAAAAAACfQ/Mn_KGpLz4MY/s1600-h/DSCF7264.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 240px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SR5A-w6AmBI/AAAAAAAACfQ/Mn_KGpLz4MY/s320/DSCF7264.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5268720061094336530" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SR5A-k2ragI/AAAAAAAACfI/5LayZyFh0hw/s1600-h/DSCF7176.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 240px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SR5A-k2ragI/AAAAAAAACfI/5LayZyFh0hw/s320/DSCF7176.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5268720057859140098" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SR5A91_iekI/AAAAAAAACfA/ZgXQA95e4o4/s1600-h/DSCF7222.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 240px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SR5A91_iekI/AAAAAAAACfA/ZgXQA95e4o4/s320/DSCF7222.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5268720045279836738" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-3416653962603423231?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/3416653962603423231/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=3416653962603423231&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/3416653962603423231'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/3416653962603423231'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/11/ukrianians-at-marian-valley.html' title='Ukrianians at Marian Valley'/><author><name>Roman433</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SR4thPwWkEI/AAAAAAAACeY/b0_VkWRnpV4/s72-c/DSCF7014.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-6504630490307734814</id><published>2008-11-15T11:28:00.005+10:00</published><updated>2008-11-15T11:51:00.561+10:00</updated><title type='text'>All Saints</title><content type='html'>I apologizes for the late posting, I have been extremely busy with my academic life lately.&lt;br /&gt;For the Feast of All saints, Fr William Define FSSP visited our Community here in Brisbane and Sung Solemn Mass.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SR4oJMfTL6I/AAAAAAAACdg/QL49XxmXJU0/s1600-h/DSCF7410.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 240px; height: 320px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SR4oJMfTL6I/AAAAAAAACdg/QL49XxmXJU0/s320/DSCF7410.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5268692752506498978" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SR4oJdRQaiI/AAAAAAAACdo/IpE7DJBewHU/s1600-h/DSCF7435.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 240px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SR4oJdRQaiI/AAAAAAAACdo/IpE7DJBewHU/s320/DSCF7435.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5268692757010999842" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SR4oJ02JreI/AAAAAAAACdw/MGVitUGrOzE/s1600-h/DSCF7501.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 240px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SR4oJ02JreI/AAAAAAAACdw/MGVitUGrOzE/s320/DSCF7501.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5268692763339763170" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SR4oKPUMauI/AAAAAAAACd4/_BuwRJXqUko/s1600-h/DSCF7619.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 240px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SR4oKPUMauI/AAAAAAAACd4/_BuwRJXqUko/s320/DSCF7619.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5268692770445093602" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SR4oKnkDSAI/AAAAAAAACeA/bJRxAXDEaAc/s1600-h/DSCF7668.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 240px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SR4oKnkDSAI/AAAAAAAACeA/bJRxAXDEaAc/s320/DSCF7668.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5268692776954054658" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SR4p3ebU_aI/AAAAAAAACeQ/WykM5CjgEVU/s1600-h/DSCF8111.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 240px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SR4p3ebU_aI/AAAAAAAACeQ/WykM5CjgEVU/s320/DSCF8111.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5268694647107288482" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SR4p3K2Q4DI/AAAAAAAACeI/o0cTztp0mdo/s1600-h/DSCF8112.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 240px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SR4p3K2Q4DI/AAAAAAAACeI/o0cTztp0mdo/s320/DSCF8112.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5268694641851555890" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-6504630490307734814?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/6504630490307734814/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=6504630490307734814&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/6504630490307734814'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/6504630490307734814'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/11/all-saints.html' title='All Saints'/><author><name>Roman433</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SR4oJMfTL6I/AAAAAAAACdg/QL49XxmXJU0/s72-c/DSCF7410.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-4062596017967416720</id><published>2008-11-10T21:29:00.004+10:00</published><updated>2008-11-10T21:40:23.022+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Feast of the dedication of the Lateran Basilica</title><content type='html'>&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SRgcO836brI/AAAAAAAAAKo/e1X3FnZHD9E/s1600-h/Picture+332.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5266990807394184882" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 300px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 400px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SRgcO836brI/AAAAAAAAAKo/e1X3FnZHD9E/s400/Picture+332.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;Since yesterday it was the Feast of the Dedication of the Lateran Basilica I thought I would post two of my pics of the basilica. I also have a movie which I shall provide shortly when I find out how to embed the movie.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;Here is the statue of the Emperor Constantine whihc is is the narthex of the basilica. This was supposed to have been carved in his own lifetime. I like it because of its strong classical and imperial bearing.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5266991707182340930" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 300px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 400px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SRgdDU2IG0I/AAAAAAAAAKw/AjK6GTEPWjY/s400/Picture+334.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;As for me personally I celebrated 9 November at the St Mary's Cathedral in Sydney. More of my observations of the style of revamped cathedral to come later.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-4062596017967416720?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/4062596017967416720/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=4062596017967416720&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/4062596017967416720'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/4062596017967416720'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/11/feast-of-dedication-of-lateran-basilica.html' title='Feast of the dedication of the Lateran Basilica'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SRgcO836brI/AAAAAAAAAKo/e1X3FnZHD9E/s72-c/Picture+332.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-8252670929200170964</id><published>2008-11-04T22:33:00.004+10:00</published><updated>2008-11-04T22:48:50.029+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Getting ready for the Sacred Liturgy - All Saints Day</title><content type='html'>Instead of focussing on the actual ceremonies I thought I would post some pics of the prep work before the liturgy celebrated on Saturday.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5264782233876800274" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 300px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 400px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SRBDjDYDoxI/AAAAAAAAAKg/OtzXY_16ZYs/s400/DSCF7407.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Getting familiarised with the form of the Gospel facing Liturgical North (unfortunately compass South at St Lukes but I suppose the Gospel is being proclaimed towards the darkness of Antarctica).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Lighting candles while Roman tries to find an Evangelarium. I'm pretty sure I was lighting them in the correct order. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5264780725000228978" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 400px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 300px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SRBCLOX2UHI/AAAAAAAAAKY/A5N1SbVofoE/s400/DSCF7408.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Roman will undoubtedly show some pics of the actual liturgy.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-8252670929200170964?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/8252670929200170964/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=8252670929200170964&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8252670929200170964'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8252670929200170964'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/11/getting-ready-for-sacred-liturgy-all.html' title='Getting ready for the Sacred Liturgy - All Saints Day'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SRBDjDYDoxI/AAAAAAAAAKg/OtzXY_16ZYs/s72-c/DSCF7407.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-8383006246128637629</id><published>2008-11-04T21:06:00.006+10:00</published><updated>2008-11-04T22:32:24.334+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Presiding</title><content type='html'>&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SRA6fSPuPuI/AAAAAAAAAKA/05RruNjwcWQ/s1600-h/01346adx.gif"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5264772273544249058" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 400px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 307px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SRA6fSPuPuI/AAAAAAAAAKA/05RruNjwcWQ/s400/01346adx.gif" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;                                    A view of St Clement celebrating Mass in his basilica. But was he "presiding"?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;One of the unique things that came out of the liturgical changes after Vatican II was the introduction of the concept of the priest presiding over the community at prayer. This has now got to a stage where in this archdiocese the priest is now referred to as a "presider". At the recent clergy conference a session was held on the art of "presiding". The term "presider" is commonly used by those to remove any notion of priesthood and lead us to a protestant form of worship.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;I therefore thought that I would, with my limited knowledge and limited scholarship of matters liturgical, find out how this evolved.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;The first reference to "presiding" is in Sacrosanctum Concilium n41 &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;The bishop is to be considered as the High Priest of his flock from whom the life of Christ of his faithful is in some way derived and upon whom it in some way depends.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Therefore all should hold in the greatest esteem the liturgical life of the diocese centered around the bishop, especially in his Cathedral church. They must be convinced that the principal manifestation of the Church consists in the full, active participation of God's holy people in the same liturgical celebrations, especially in the same Eucharist, in one prayer, at one altar, at whihc the bishop &lt;strong&gt;presides &lt;/strong&gt;surrounded by his college of priests and by his ministers cf. St Ignatius of Antioch).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;But as it is impossible for the bishop always and everywhere to preside over the whole flock in his church, he must of necessity establish groupings of the faithful, and, among these, parishes, set up locally under a pastor who takes the place of the bishop, are the most important, for in some way they represent the visible church constituted throughout the world....Efforts must be made to encourage a sense of community within the parish, above all the common celebration of Sunday Mass.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;This is followed up by GIRM n30 which states:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Among the parts assigned to the priest, the foremost is the Eucharistic Prayer, which is the&lt;br /&gt;high point of the entire celebration. Next are the orations: that is to say, the Collect, the Prayer&lt;br /&gt;over the Offerings, and the Prayer after Communion. These prayers are addressed to God in the&lt;br /&gt;name of the entire holy people and all present by the priest who &lt;strong&gt;presides&lt;/strong&gt; over the assembly in the&lt;br /&gt;person of Christ.43 It is with good reason, therefore, that they are called the ‘presidential prayers.’ &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;31. It is also up to the priest, in the exercise of his office of presiding over the gathered assembly,&lt;br /&gt;to offer certain explanations that are foreseen in the rite itself.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;The layout of the Church itself is to reflect the presiding function:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;310. The chair of the priest celebrant must signify his office of &lt;strong&gt;presiding over the gathering and of&lt;br /&gt;directing the prayer&lt;/strong&gt;. Thus the best place for the chair is in a position facing the people at the head&lt;br /&gt;of the sanctuary, unless the design of the building or other circumstances impede this: for example,&lt;br /&gt;if the great distance would interfere with communication between the priest and the gathered&lt;br /&gt;assembly, or if the tabernacle is in the centre behind the altar.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;This office of "presiding" does not appear in any of the pre-conciliar documents. Much of them such as in my analysis of &lt;a href="http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/09/mediator-dei.html"&gt;Mediator Dei &lt;/a&gt;talk of the priest as interceding for the people and leading their prayer. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;Much of the lead for the liturgical changes was the account by St Justin written about 150AD where he refers to the president or the presider (the translation of Jungmann's work follows this term) of the assembly. Of course in the tradition of St Ignatius this presider would have been a bishop or presbyter. A number of assumptions have been made from this; namely that there was no priest and the liturgy was primarily the work of the people (another misconception). The idea of presiding also seemed to drive the idea of the priest facing the congregation when of course Justin is silent about what people did in detail.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;So here we expose an unintended consequence of wording. The term has been used to totally turn a liturgy on its head and, but furthermore:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;encourage an attitude of arrogance over a community ie. a priest lords over his community&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;resulting in a talk show approach to liturgy (ie, the david letterman style)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;denigrate the importance of priesthood now it is essentially the community that celebrates and he is merely there to keep things going (ie. an MC in more fancy dress) &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;I agree with Fr John McGavin, that this is "the most damaging legacy of the implementation of Vatican II" (The Priest Vol12 May 2008)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The priest leads his flock in prayer, and should do this in all humility, whether at the Altar directly in adoration to the Altar Cross, which stands at the point of reference of the entire liturgy (Ratzinger: Spirit of the Liturgy) or at the sedilia during the liturgy of the word arranged in an appropriate way so that his focus, and that of the congregation's can always be on Christ present at the Altar. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;That is why the whole idea of removing High Altars out of old churches was a complete fallacy, and in the end a waste of time and money of little spiritual benefit.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5264777665574554450" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 350px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 400px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SRA_ZJH7S1I/AAAAAAAAAKQ/wQrD30iXGdY/s400/1111martin%2520mass3.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;PS: This congregation is focussed!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-8383006246128637629?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/8383006246128637629/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=8383006246128637629&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8383006246128637629'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8383006246128637629'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/11/presiding.html' title='Presiding'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SRA6fSPuPuI/AAAAAAAAAKA/05RruNjwcWQ/s72-c/01346adx.gif' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-1382983999622304047</id><published>2008-10-25T12:02:00.006+10:00</published><updated>2008-10-25T13:02:13.254+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Church Crawling and hanging out with Roman</title><content type='html'>Last weekend Roman and I did what my friends call a "church crawl". This is very similar to a pub crawl except there is no drinking (except at the end) and much of the discussion is around liturgy and history and church gossip. Rome is an excellent place for church crawling as when you are tired you can fall into an exquisite restaurant at lunchtime (when all the churches close for siesta) and review the things that you have seen. &lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;The novelist Evelyn Waugh was a great church crawler (or church spotting as the English call it) and his diary in his teen years recounts how he and his school friends went visiting churches. His leanings to catholicism appear this early as he was interested in the Anglo Catholic churches most of all.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;We first visited St Johns Cathedral to see how it now looks with the fully extended nave. We also talked about how St Johns actually has a better layout for celebrating the Roman Rite in the Extraordinary Form.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5260909538300749970" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 400px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 300px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SQKBWgHhaJI/AAAAAAAAAJg/aUzDeEQicBA/s400/Pics+and+movies+001.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;The High Altar is simple and with steps and matches the early mediaeval French style of the cathedral. I know that it is generally used for Ad orientem celebration although there is room to celebrate facing the people. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The Altar shows a good arrangement of the crucifix and two candlesticks supplemented by large candle sticks on both sides. Some of you would say that this is not catholic but it actually follows some pre-tridentine practices. However, it better demonstrates some of the configuration which could be used for a Benedictine Altar arrangement if Mass is celebrated versus populum.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Here is a view from behind the Altar down the nave.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5260912047872634642" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 400px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 300px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SQKDolAFbxI/AAAAAAAAAJo/YsQFc4ymKzU/s400/Pics+and+movies+004.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can see the stone vaulting of the nave - the only place you see genuine stone vaulting on any large scale in Australia. The back of the Altar is very plain pointing to its east facing orientation.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;From here we saw the Marian chapel, with a medieval Sarum style arrangement, but without riddels. Roman has some pics of the other chapels with medieval riddels. Eucharistic services are celebrated here during the week.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5260913242185631330" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 400px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 300px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SQKEuGKfhmI/AAAAAAAAAJw/p2zG0J17AI8/s400/Pics+and+movies+002.jpg" border="0" /&gt; From there it was down to Brisbane's premier Anglo Catholic Church - All Saints. it has an eastward facing High Altar with six candles and a tabernacle. However, I was very impressed with the side chapel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5260914843117163986" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 400px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 300px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SQKGLSGUFdI/AAAAAAAAAJ4/jT4gh5G9Rvc/s400/Pics+and+movies+005.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;Note the Altar cards (which are in English). At All Saints they seem to have two types of liturgies, one to the English Missal (which is basically a reformed blend of the Tridentine Roman Missal, with the book of Common Prayer), and occasionally a more contemporary liturgy with a modern prayer book.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The church organist, Darren, gave us a bit of an explanation of the liturgy and a Mass sheet to takeaway. It showed the simplified Tridentine Missal in English interspersed with the Cranmerian prayers of the general confession at the Offertory (instead of the Confiteor at the start) and the modern Roman lectionary. If anything this shows what a more sensible revision of the Roman Rite in the 1960s may have looked like, if liturgical extremists had not got to it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;We found a table carrying candles and a centrally located crucifix (with corpus) up against a side wall, and asked what it was for. It turned out that this is a table that is occasionally set up in fron of the sanctuary used for versus populum celebrations. However, as the congregation strongly prefer Ad orientem celebration (and remember that this was an aspect that the Tractarian Movement fought for in the 1800's) this is rarely used.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;it is intersting the divergent attitudes with liturgy. In the Catholic Church we think that the Liturgy of the Eucharist HAS to be celebrated facing the people, and it is rare to find a parish which celebrates the Ordinary Form Ad orientem. (Note: In Italy this is not so rare probably more because a lot of italians could not be bothered re-ordering their sanctuaries - more about that another time). In the Anglo Catholic Church it seems to be considered someting that is less than ideal and congregations appear to perceive it as a bit of a threat to their beliefs. It would be good if the Catholic church congregations had a lot more of that attitude. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;We then went onto the Albert St Uniting Church but there was nothing really of interest there so we moved onto a cafe. St Stephens we did not bother with as we are there all of the time.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;A short church crawl you  might say but  - it is Australia after all.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-1382983999622304047?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/1382983999622304047/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=1382983999622304047&amp;isPopup=true' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/1382983999622304047'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/1382983999622304047'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/10/church-crawling-and-hanging-out-with.html' title='Church Crawling and hanging out with Roman'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SQKBWgHhaJI/AAAAAAAAAJg/aUzDeEQicBA/s72-c/Pics+and+movies+001.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-877019582121080878</id><published>2008-10-20T12:10:00.004+10:00</published><updated>2008-10-20T12:35:07.047+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Ukrianian hierarchical liturgy</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SPvtsWLZ9hI/AAAAAAAACcc/xycS2xNQN8g/s1600-h/DSCF6867.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SPvtsWLZ9hI/AAAAAAAACcc/xycS2xNQN8g/s320/DSCF6867.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5259058336008631826" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SPvts1gC3LI/AAAAAAAACck/kBlMRqkZqZ8/s1600-h/DSCF6868.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SPvts1gC3LI/AAAAAAAACck/kBlMRqkZqZ8/s320/DSCF6868.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5259058344416697522" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SPvttbgZzTI/AAAAAAAACcs/bgC-ZMI-iYw/s1600-h/DSCF6872.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SPvttbgZzTI/AAAAAAAACcs/bgC-ZMI-iYw/s320/DSCF6872.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5259058354618748210" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SPvtuUL74-I/AAAAAAAACc0/apvoYjbIWts/s1600-h/DSCF6924.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SPvtuUL74-I/AAAAAAAACc0/apvoYjbIWts/s320/DSCF6924.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5259058369833722850" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SPvtvF3mwAI/AAAAAAAACc8/CPXOHfP_6XY/s1600-h/DSCF6936.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SPvtvF3mwAI/AAAAAAAACc8/CPXOHfP_6XY/s320/DSCF6936.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5259058383170224130" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Last week the Ukrainian Ordinary visited the Local Ukrainian rite Church, for the occasion of it's 50th anniversary of attaining the canonical status of a parish.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-877019582121080878?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/877019582121080878/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=877019582121080878&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/877019582121080878'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/877019582121080878'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/10/ukrianian-hierarchical-liturgy.html' title='Ukrianian hierarchical liturgy'/><author><name>Roman433</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SPvtsWLZ9hI/AAAAAAAACcc/xycS2xNQN8g/s72-c/DSCF6867.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-3183636748085586697</id><published>2008-10-19T19:31:00.004+10:00</published><updated>2008-10-24T16:04:15.343+10:00</updated><title type='text'>The Vocations crisis</title><content type='html'>I find the idea of there being no difference between a cleric and a lay person absurd. If such was true, then a priest would merely be an underpaid and celibate social worker. If a priest were really that, then perhaps I could do his job as a married lay person, enjoying both a higher salary and a wife and kids. This would be the thinking of most Catholic young men, that is the root cause of our vocations problem, no young Catholic, especially teenage boys sees a priest being any different from a lay, single, social worker (Okay, perhaps a few do).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That's what it is, it's an image problem, there's nothing to draw young men in. Young men theses days are attracted by bling, fast cars and scantly clad women. I'm surprised some bishops haven't decided to use those things to attract more vocations.... perhaps it's better then didn't. But what did they do? Well they decided to lumber up hills in shorts, paint, go for a jog and other hobbies, stick it on a poster and hope for the best. Fair enough, but seeing relatively dated men do these things, is not going to attract me to the priesthood.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To most high school students, a priest is merely cranky old men (probably because he hasn’t been laid, as they say), who comes into their school a few times a year, talks at them for 10minutes, wears a bathrobe and plays around with girls crockery, as  well as giving them a snack and a bit of alcohol.  Yep that gets the guys coming in by the truck load. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The youth are not attracted by wishy washy wanna , gonna bes. They want something radical, something out there, something different, something that’s going to rock their world.  I know what that is, a matrix robe wearing young gun with a pair of black shades. A youthful priest, who is aware of the dignity of his priesthood, who’ll come on in an engage the youth are where they are at, not jamming a judgmental and sentimental watered down religion at them. A priest who will not give them a religious wanna be rock, rap or pop song, but who will give them a transcendent experience, something appealing to the soul (yes young people do have them) and not just merely to their animalistic urges.   &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If young men are informed about the faith, the real faith, supported by millennium of tradition and then given a different and dynamic priest, then you will have an inbox full of inquires, not only about the priesthood, but also about the faith. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A priest is supposed to be a person in the world, but not of it, a living icon of Christ. He needs to be counter cultural. He needs to be priestly, to administer the sacraments and to preach the Gospels (with out bits missing). If we present a spent pensioner who plays around with crockery in his bathrobe, then of coarse the youth will think that a priest is just a guy who couldn’t get a girlfriend in High school. Perhaps if we try a different approach, then we might be on to something…….&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-3183636748085586697?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/3183636748085586697/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=3183636748085586697&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/3183636748085586697'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/3183636748085586697'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/10/catholic-priesthood.html' title='The Vocations crisis'/><author><name>Roman433</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-2343111375802911521</id><published>2008-10-14T14:22:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2008-10-14T14:36:31.876+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Call to Holiness- The Mass</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SPQhf9zAkdI/AAAAAAAABvk/57Ga96-uURg/s1600-h/DSCF6677.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SPQhf9zAkdI/AAAAAAAABvk/57Ga96-uURg/s320/DSCF6677.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5256863498096382418" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SPQhgElWQzI/AAAAAAAABvs/oi9IWroBX3Q/s1600-h/DSCF6724.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SPQhgElWQzI/AAAAAAAABvs/oi9IWroBX3Q/s320/DSCF6724.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5256863499918132018" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SPQhgcd9e_I/AAAAAAAABv0/mVhV1d-VVKg/s1600-h/DSCF6728.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SPQhgcd9e_I/AAAAAAAABv0/mVhV1d-VVKg/s320/DSCF6728.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5256863506329598962" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SPQhgsySCKI/AAAAAAAABv8/CWzZE-Im33c/s1600-h/DSCF6772.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SPQhgsySCKI/AAAAAAAABv8/CWzZE-Im33c/s320/DSCF6772.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5256863510709799074" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SPQhgraeJ4I/AAAAAAAABwE/3OH-pNwyOgo/s1600-h/DSCF6828.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SPQhgraeJ4I/AAAAAAAABwE/3OH-pNwyOgo/s320/DSCF6828.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5256863510341494658" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-2343111375802911521?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/2343111375802911521/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=2343111375802911521&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/2343111375802911521'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/2343111375802911521'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/10/call-to-holiness-mass.html' title='Call to Holiness- The Mass'/><author><name>Roman433</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SPQhf9zAkdI/AAAAAAAABvk/57Ga96-uURg/s72-c/DSCF6677.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-2581434553492420641</id><published>2008-10-04T21:40:00.000+10:00</published><updated>2008-10-04T21:42:52.976+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Pagan Gods</title><content type='html'>In a recent remake of the Ten Commandments and Egyptian Priest tells Moses, better it is for there to be as many gods as there are men, rather then just one God. I find that statement to shed light and a profound insight into human thought and the Ego.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One God truly was a breakthrough in human development, One God, One who exists before and outside everything, a contrast to the chaotic Pantheon of Greek gods. For the pagans, different gods were different beings, embodying different concepts, elements and aspects, i.e. there was god of war, god of thunder etc. This allowed people to have a supermarket mentality with their religion and beliefs. Take for example a soldier; naturally he would worship the god of war and tend to neglect the other gods. The gods then were not the be all and end all, because there were always more of them. Being able to choose, or to have more then one way of belief is itself not a bad concept, perhaps this was a foreshadowing of the BVM or the saints. This would be a similar concept, but diverging on the point that our saints and the BVM are merely a means to an end, that is Worship of God&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If one God wasn’t to your liking, you would simply pick another; similar to the way we change fashions or products today. The Pagan Pantheon then stopped being a separate and objective reality; it just degraded into an extension of the human ego. In such away the gods were made to service humanity. Today in some peoples we see a similar, but drastically eviler thought occurring, that God, is something personal, something that we can determine, change, define and ultimately lord over. The pagans were manufacturing idols, whilst today some peoples are attempting to turn God himself into an idol.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The profound insight into humanity is this; we want to be the top Dog. Everything revolves around us, as long as were happy, that’s the prime Goal. The Pagans developed gods that serviced them, Modern people are trying to either forget about God or turn him into their own happy toy. It’s interesting to see, what effect the existence of a God does on people, it makes them see, that they are not the be all and end all, rather it allows humanity to advance towards something, rather then enclose itself into a circle, ultimately consuming itself. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“I must decrease and he must increase” John 3:30&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-2581434553492420641?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/2581434553492420641/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=2581434553492420641&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/2581434553492420641'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/2581434553492420641'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/10/pagan-gods.html' title='Pagan Gods'/><author><name>Roman433</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-3789201658232807988</id><published>2008-10-04T21:09:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2008-10-04T21:18:52.610+10:00</updated><title type='text'>ACCC Conference Toowong</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOdQdvZARsI/AAAAAAAABuo/jJP4gzY4t94/s1600-h/DSCF6487.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOdQdvZARsI/AAAAAAAABuo/jJP4gzY4t94/s320/DSCF6487.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5253255962218743490" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOdQd-f3JRI/AAAAAAAABuw/StY2dtHaucs/s1600-h/DSCF6515.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOdQd-f3JRI/AAAAAAAABuw/StY2dtHaucs/s320/DSCF6515.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5253255966274037010" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOdQeKZV7_I/AAAAAAAABu4/mX9LSbldFVE/s1600-h/DSCF6553.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOdQeKZV7_I/AAAAAAAABu4/mX9LSbldFVE/s320/DSCF6553.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5253255969467920370" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOdQeGF4Z5I/AAAAAAAABvA/Li7aC3yh-qs/s1600-h/DSCF6532.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOdQeGF4Z5I/AAAAAAAABvA/Li7aC3yh-qs/s320/DSCF6532.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5253255968312551314" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOdQecy6WfI/AAAAAAAABvI/NnyF9Er-12w/s1600-h/DSCF6569.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOdQecy6WfI/AAAAAAAABvI/NnyF9Er-12w/s320/DSCF6569.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5253255974407002610" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOdRBLx-G7I/AAAAAAAABvQ/e3Z0oOqgUSI/s1600-h/DSCF6622.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOdRBLx-G7I/AAAAAAAABvQ/e3Z0oOqgUSI/s320/DSCF6622.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5253256571135073202" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOdRBVMtB8I/AAAAAAAABvY/JElz2uI1w6Q/s1600-h/DSCF6628.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOdRBVMtB8I/AAAAAAAABvY/JElz2uI1w6Q/s320/DSCF6628.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5253256573663119298" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-3789201658232807988?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/3789201658232807988/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=3789201658232807988&amp;isPopup=true' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/3789201658232807988'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/3789201658232807988'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/10/accc-conference-toowong.html' title='ACCC Conference Toowong'/><author><name>Roman433</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOdQdvZARsI/AAAAAAAABuo/jJP4gzY4t94/s72-c/DSCF6487.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-7009248233879325109</id><published>2008-10-03T14:23:00.005+10:00</published><updated>2008-10-03T14:56:44.933+10:00</updated><title type='text'>ACCC Conference, Marian Valley</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOWgUzGSOgI/AAAAAAAABsg/si7_4PjdeuI/s1600-h/ACCC+Marian+Valley+011.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOWgUzGSOgI/AAAAAAAABsg/si7_4PjdeuI/s320/ACCC+Marian+Valley+011.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5252780819571948034" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOWgVFlZHMI/AAAAAAAABso/pkSUrdtOF1s/s1600-h/ACCC+Marian+Valley+015.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOWgVFlZHMI/AAAAAAAABso/pkSUrdtOF1s/s320/ACCC+Marian+Valley+015.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5252780824534260930" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOWgVXgADUI/AAAAAAAABsw/yhWONcgT9HI/s1600-h/ACCC+Marian+Valley+039.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOWgVXgADUI/AAAAAAAABsw/yhWONcgT9HI/s320/ACCC+Marian+Valley+039.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5252780829343485250" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOWgVlJsSkI/AAAAAAAABs4/RoJfzMsWznA/s1600-h/ACCC+Marian+Valley+040.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOWgVlJsSkI/AAAAAAAABs4/RoJfzMsWznA/s320/ACCC+Marian+Valley+040.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5252780833008011842" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOWgVy5jYJI/AAAAAAAABtA/Fc8jQ8awpdA/s1600-h/ACCC+Marian+Valley+091.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOWgVy5jYJI/AAAAAAAABtA/Fc8jQ8awpdA/s320/ACCC+Marian+Valley+091.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5252780836698415250" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOWhShY-G1I/AAAAAAAABtI/jWrM5nxs5mc/s1600-h/ACCC+Marian+Valley+163.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOWhShY-G1I/AAAAAAAABtI/jWrM5nxs5mc/s320/ACCC+Marian+Valley+163.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5252781879970372434" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOWhTDqQjpI/AAAAAAAABtY/0cXH4wCDw5Q/s1600-h/ACCC+Marian+Valley+191.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOWhTDqQjpI/AAAAAAAABtY/0cXH4wCDw5Q/s320/ACCC+Marian+Valley+191.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5252781889169690258" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOWhSy7JtcI/AAAAAAAABtQ/oliZGWHNj8E/s1600-h/ACCC+Marian+Valley+182.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOWhSy7JtcI/AAAAAAAABtQ/oliZGWHNj8E/s320/ACCC+Marian+Valley+182.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5252781884677141954" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOWhTWSopjI/AAAAAAAABtg/pM_Pne0z7Zw/s1600-h/ACCC+Marian+Valley+203.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOWhTWSopjI/AAAAAAAABtg/pM_Pne0z7Zw/s320/ACCC+Marian+Valley+203.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5252781894170879538" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOWhTXTxTpI/AAAAAAAABto/H2yXJKB_gV4/s1600-h/ACCC+Marian+Valley+238.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOWhTXTxTpI/AAAAAAAABto/H2yXJKB_gV4/s320/ACCC+Marian+Valley+238.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5252781894444076690" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOWiMe0pS3I/AAAAAAAABuI/dvlA2PhF334/s1600-h/ACCC+Marian+Valley+247.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOWiMe0pS3I/AAAAAAAABuI/dvlA2PhF334/s320/ACCC+Marian+Valley+247.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5252782875713555314" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOWjEKKaf6I/AAAAAAAABug/bgffrSUMcSQ/s1600-h/ACCC+Marian+Valley+285.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOWjEKKaf6I/AAAAAAAABug/bgffrSUMcSQ/s320/ACCC+Marian+Valley+285.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5252783832240390050" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-7009248233879325109?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/7009248233879325109/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=7009248233879325109&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/7009248233879325109'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/7009248233879325109'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/10/accc-conference-marian-valley.html' title='ACCC Conference, Marian Valley'/><author><name>Roman433</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SOWgUzGSOgI/AAAAAAAABsg/si7_4PjdeuI/s72-c/ACCC+Marian+Valley+011.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-916069600250465134</id><published>2008-09-26T00:21:00.004+10:00</published><updated>2008-09-26T00:44:13.417+10:00</updated><title type='text'></title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SNufflvxTEI/AAAAAAAABsA/5F_woGMSdac/s1600-h/Fr+Withoos+Mass,+19th+Sunday+after+Pentecost+043.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SNufflvxTEI/AAAAAAAABsA/5F_woGMSdac/s320/Fr+Withoos+Mass,+19th+Sunday+after+Pentecost+043.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5249965155687681090" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SNuff45lrDI/AAAAAAAABsI/lSgjfP5SibM/s1600-h/Fr+Withoos+Mass,+19th+Sunday+after+Pentecost+051.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SNuff45lrDI/AAAAAAAABsI/lSgjfP5SibM/s320/Fr+Withoos+Mass,+19th+Sunday+after+Pentecost+051.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5249965160829135922" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SNufgiHL3GI/AAAAAAAABsQ/82qlCMS2-2o/s1600-h/Fr+Withoos+Mass,+19th+Sunday+after+Pentecost+086.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SNufgiHL3GI/AAAAAAAABsQ/82qlCMS2-2o/s320/Fr+Withoos+Mass,+19th+Sunday+after+Pentecost+086.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5249965171892018274" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SNufhSjQPpI/AAAAAAAABsY/EQs5n_N9PIw/s1600-h/Fr+Withoos+Mass,+19th+Sunday+after+Pentecost+267.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SNufhSjQPpI/AAAAAAAABsY/EQs5n_N9PIw/s320/Fr+Withoos+Mass,+19th+Sunday+after+Pentecost+267.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5249965184894647954" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;On the 19th Sunday after Pentecost, we had a flying visit from one Fr Mark Withoos.  Fr Mark convinced Fr Jordan, as well as the choir to have a sung Mass.  A well sung Mass, with an homily as well as confessions heard through the Mass, was an unexpected delight, so soon after the Feast of the Holy cross.  Father's Latin now, noticeably has an Italian Twang, as well as his preference for Roman vestments and use of the biretta certainly means Fr Mark has become a Roman.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-916069600250465134?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/916069600250465134/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=916069600250465134&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/916069600250465134'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/916069600250465134'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/09/on-19th-sunday-after-pentecost-we-had.html' title=''/><author><name>Roman433</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SNufflvxTEI/AAAAAAAABsA/5F_woGMSdac/s72-c/Fr+Withoos+Mass,+19th+Sunday+after+Pentecost+043.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-8432560053123394788</id><published>2008-09-17T09:55:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2008-09-17T10:53:00.748+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Misconceptions on the Sacred Liturgy</title><content type='html'>Last night I had a very good discussion with a friend of mine and former fellow server which started out as a discussion on the relationship between the liturgy of the Synagogue with the liturgy of the Christian church. Of course with that discussion we came up on the issue of orientation pretty quickly. Although my friend was aware of the orientation of the Synagogue facing Jerusalem he wasnt aware of the use or meaning of the orientation of the Christian church facing east as a symbol of the resurrection. All he was aware of was what his mum told him about the priest celebrated "with his back to the people". This was also mentioned in the context of other "bad" practices in Malaysia such as "boys and girls worshipping separately in different parts of the church" (another ancient practice that we have lost in the Latin Church).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We had a good discussion on what might take priority and whether congregations would accept the concept of the the priest facing away from them. Again it is an issue of education and awareness. Some have cited pastoral reasons for having the celebrant face the people and these are valid. However, as Pope Benedict says there is the danger of the liturgy losing its cosmic dimension and becoming a closed circle of mutual admiration. In many parishes this has become complete, and modern liturgical thought now says that the focus is on the people of God, although this is an extreme "horizontalism" that has crept into the liturgy (more about that another time).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The reality is that although in many parishes at this stage would not accept a return to "ad orientem" celebration we can put it into our vocabulary so that people understand why the priest celebrates facing the same direction as the congregation. This would then provide fertile ground for the concept if parishes wanted to adopt it in the future, particularly as the Vatican II fundamentalists die off.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The other issue discussed, was the use of Latin in the liturgy. The key thing is that the latin liturgy takes more preparation than the English liturgy. You cannot just rock up to church in the Latin liturgy and be totally conversant unless your Latin is really good. Personally, when I go to an Extraordinary Form Mass, I take time out to read and reflect upon the readings and propers, before the Mass, so I can get most out of it and give it my "full conscious and active participation". If you are introducing someone to the Extraordinary Form for the first time, this is the best approach to do and you can help pilot them through something that is at first unfamiliar.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One thing is that younger people, having not come across the Extradordinary Form at all, are reasonably open to it. The older generation are more of the attitude "this is going backwards to the days when we had nasty nuns and we had to do this and that and I hated it - so therefore I hate it now". The evangleisation of the older form of Mass practically cannot be done in the 50-70 year old age group because of that particular baggage and cultural conditioning.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On a final note it is appropriate to quote again the brilliant words of Pope Benedict in his press confernce given on the plane on 12 September en route to France:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;There is no opposition between the liturgy renewed by Vatican II and this liturgy. Every day, the council Fathers celebrated the Mass following the old rite and at the same time they conceived a natural development for the liturgy throughout this century, since the liturgy is a living reality, which develops and keeps its identity within its development. So there is certainly a difference of emphasis, but a single fundamental identity that excludes any contradiction or antagonism between a renewed liturgy and the preceding liturgy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I believe there is a possibility for both types to be enriched. On the one hand, the friends of the old liturgy can and should know the new saints, the new prefaces of the liturgy, etc. But on the other hand, the new liturgy emphasizes the common participation, but it is not just the assembly of a particular community, but rather it is always an act of the universal Church, in communion with all the believers of all time, an act of adoration. In this sense, it seems to me that there is a mutual enrichment, and it is clear that the renewed liturgy is the ordinary liturgy of our time.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If there is any big problem in the Church today, it is that people close off the option to be mutually enriched, and that goes for followers of either form.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for Benedict himself, he is enriching the Ordinary Form in three ways:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;returning the crucifix to the centre of the Altar (even while generally keeping a versus populum arrangement similar to some of Pius XII's liturgies)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Holy Communion received kneeling and on the tongue&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;appropriate use of the chants from the Roman Graduale&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;&lt;p&gt;How many communities do we see locally are following this example?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-8432560053123394788?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/8432560053123394788/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=8432560053123394788&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8432560053123394788'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8432560053123394788'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/09/misconceptions-on-sacred-liturgy.html' title='Misconceptions on the Sacred Liturgy'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-7090679954789342914</id><published>2008-09-16T21:39:00.005+10:00</published><updated>2008-10-24T15:57:38.219+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Holy Cross</title><content type='html'>The feast of the Holy Cross was celebrated with much splendor and rejoicing. The one year anniversary of the effect of the Motu Proprio allowing the Latin Mass , was celebrated by a high Mass.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SM-cBOCyYWI/AAAAAAAABqs/3KLJvADl-1A/s1600-h/DSCF5360.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SM-cBOCyYWI/AAAAAAAABqs/3KLJvADl-1A/s320/DSCF5360.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5246583635673506146" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;A Newly ordained Priest acted as Deacon.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SM-cBuUuBOI/AAAAAAAABq0/f7fKKnoHecU/s1600-h/DSCF5377.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SM-cBuUuBOI/AAAAAAAABq0/f7fKKnoHecU/s320/DSCF5377.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5246583644338652386" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SM-cB1p_6QI/AAAAAAAABq8/95xRMnW9Ts0/s1600-h/DSCF5405.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SM-cB1p_6QI/AAAAAAAABq8/95xRMnW9Ts0/s320/DSCF5405.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5246583646306953474" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SM-cCQ_F7rI/AAAAAAAABrE/gfP1SAbmsc0/s1600-h/DSCF5413.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SM-cCQ_F7rI/AAAAAAAABrE/gfP1SAbmsc0/s320/DSCF5413.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5246583653643185842" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SM-cCuoeP_I/AAAAAAAABrM/LtbM71p3ank/s1600-h/DSCF5449.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SM-cCuoeP_I/AAAAAAAABrM/LtbM71p3ank/s320/DSCF5449.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5246583661601374194" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SM-hwRTcC8I/AAAAAAAABrU/znHRgd2vWd0/s1600-h/DSCF5496.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SM-hwRTcC8I/AAAAAAAABrU/znHRgd2vWd0/s320/DSCF5496.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5246589941560642498" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SM-hwkaqaiI/AAAAAAAABrc/ygWzRMEfyrY/s1600-h/DSCF5499.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SM-hwkaqaiI/AAAAAAAABrc/ygWzRMEfyrY/s320/DSCF5499.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5246589946691217954" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SM-hxF1va6I/AAAAAAAABrk/1x8cySBByqw/s1600-h/DSCF5511.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SM-hxF1va6I/AAAAAAAABrk/1x8cySBByqw/s320/DSCF5511.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5246589955663162274" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SM-hxYm1IfI/AAAAAAAABrs/kmjLcPtHQ9U/s1600-h/DSCF5576.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SM-hxYm1IfI/AAAAAAAABrs/kmjLcPtHQ9U/s320/DSCF5576.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5246589960700895730" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SM-k0dTY3cI/AAAAAAAABr0/ORd-FB6Ngas/s1600-h/DSCF5702.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SM-k0dTY3cI/AAAAAAAABr0/ORd-FB6Ngas/s320/DSCF5702.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5246593312036019650" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;After the Mass, the priest gave us his first blessing and allowed us to venerate his now sacred hands with a kiss.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-7090679954789342914?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/7090679954789342914/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=7090679954789342914&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/7090679954789342914'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/7090679954789342914'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/09/holy-cross.html' title='Holy Cross'/><author><name>Roman433</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SM-cBOCyYWI/AAAAAAAABqs/3KLJvADl-1A/s72-c/DSCF5360.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-7768697182938932450</id><published>2008-09-16T13:19:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2008-09-16T14:09:56.218+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Pius XII</title><content type='html'>With the 50th anniversary of Pope Pius XII coming up there should be a few good docos on his life. Here is a four part series on Pius from RAI-Tre which gives a very good view of his life and times. I have ordered the clips in theri proper order.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/HbBdeitTkqY&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/HbBdeitTkqY&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/C2bdIvWvFp0&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/C2bdIvWvFp0&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/BHM1Dv3VAOE&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/BHM1Dv3VAOE&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/SKmjSOslWhE&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/SKmjSOslWhE&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/zmrzIAPi7jw&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/zmrzIAPi7jw&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/jiRp5a2emho&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/jiRp5a2emho&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/L5tPk6wHRTo&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/L5tPk6wHRTo&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/u3PR1_vb4To&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/u3PR1_vb4To&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Enjoy. For the liturgists out there I note that I saw Cardinal Pacelli celebrating versus populum in Dortmund in Germany.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-7768697182938932450?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/7768697182938932450/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=7768697182938932450&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/7768697182938932450'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/7768697182938932450'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/09/pius-xii.html' title='Pius XII'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-5372571339388027817</id><published>2008-09-12T13:40:00.001+10:00</published><updated>2008-09-12T13:57:03.669+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Fr Gordon and Our Lady</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SMnoX8KXdsI/AAAAAAAABqk/tO3yC1J9bRE/s1600-h/DSCF5029.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SMnoX8KXdsI/AAAAAAAABqk/tO3yC1J9bRE/s320/DSCF5029.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5244978739033896642" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SMnnd91_abI/AAAAAAAABp8/eJ7LxLohK_A/s1600-h/DSCF4887.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SMnnd91_abI/AAAAAAAABp8/eJ7LxLohK_A/s320/DSCF4887.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5244977743052892594" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SMnneOW9n-I/AAAAAAAABqE/ltTLhcGUpl8/s1600-h/DSCF4897.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SMnneOW9n-I/AAAAAAAABqE/ltTLhcGUpl8/s320/DSCF4897.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5244977747486154722" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SMnneYDhJcI/AAAAAAAABqM/8J-eYaCstIs/s1600-h/DSCF4928.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SMnneYDhJcI/AAAAAAAABqM/8J-eYaCstIs/s320/DSCF4928.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5244977750088951234" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SMnne2IUdSI/AAAAAAAABqU/LxUxpcKMD8w/s1600-h/DSCF4914.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SMnne2IUdSI/AAAAAAAABqU/LxUxpcKMD8w/s320/DSCF4914.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5244977758162154786" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SMnnfb6CtHI/AAAAAAAABqc/dnrFgJFnXJU/s1600-h/DSCF5002.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SMnnfb6CtHI/AAAAAAAABqc/dnrFgJFnXJU/s320/DSCF5002.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5244977768302818418" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SMnoX8KXdsI/AAAAAAAABqk/tO3yC1J9bRE/s1600-h/DSCF5029.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SMnoX8KXdsI/AAAAAAAABqk/tO3yC1J9bRE/s320/DSCF5029.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5244978739033896642" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Fr Bernard Gordon is a priest of the diocese of Wollongong and is the director of the first years at Good Shepard Seminary.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-5372571339388027817?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/5372571339388027817/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=5372571339388027817&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/5372571339388027817'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/5372571339388027817'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/09/fr-gordon-and-our-lady.html' title='Fr Gordon and Our Lady'/><author><name>Roman433</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SMnoX8KXdsI/AAAAAAAABqk/tO3yC1J9bRE/s72-c/DSCF5029.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-6814770371746313124</id><published>2008-09-11T13:34:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2008-09-11T13:44:37.574+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Frist Friday vigil</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SMiTTpAvvTI/AAAAAAAABpc/tTmaQ_8fVL0/s1600-h/DSCF4824.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SMiTTpAvvTI/AAAAAAAABpc/tTmaQ_8fVL0/s320/DSCF4824.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5244603731708722482" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here's a few new shots from this months first Friday vigil.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SMiTTw9palI/AAAAAAAABpk/ni8S-8Z6izA/s1600-h/DSCF4833.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SMiTTw9palI/AAAAAAAABpk/ni8S-8Z6izA/s320/DSCF4833.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5244603733843208786" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;The Benedictine Altar arrangement, not as powerful as having six candles, but it still works.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SMiTUY4riHI/AAAAAAAABps/LaFdkUnRuUs/s1600-h/DSCF4842.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SMiTUY4riHI/AAAAAAAABps/LaFdkUnRuUs/s320/DSCF4842.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5244603744559794290" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Torches at consecration&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SMiTUtn8uxI/AAAAAAAABp0/-AAIYJAId88/s1600-h/DSCF4865.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SMiTUtn8uxI/AAAAAAAABp0/-AAIYJAId88/s320/DSCF4865.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5244603750126762770" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;The servers in apparalled amice and MC in Gothic surplice. A perfect start to the reform of the reform, good vestments,  the benedictine altar arrangement and the Sanctissimum in full view.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-6814770371746313124?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/6814770371746313124/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=6814770371746313124&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/6814770371746313124'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/6814770371746313124'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/09/frist-friday-vigil.html' title='Frist Friday vigil'/><author><name>Roman433</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SMiTTpAvvTI/AAAAAAAABpc/tTmaQ_8fVL0/s72-c/DSCF4824.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-3234512489259071277</id><published>2008-09-10T15:04:00.004+10:00</published><updated>2008-09-10T15:47:10.474+10:00</updated><title type='text'>The Master of Ceremonies</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.blogger.com/bp3.blogger.com/.../gCBmIQhL8K4/s400/Marini.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px;" src="http://www.blogger.com/bp3.blogger.com/.../gCBmIQhL8K4/s400/Marini.jpg" alt="" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The MC is a very interesting role. Not officially part of the liturgy, but he still plays a vital role. We all know the usefulness of an MC to organize and direct the ceremony, but apart from that what exactly does he do? Well I see three different methods, that can interchange and even fuse together.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Current Papal Master of Ceremonies demonstrates the first method. In a nutshell, think Deacon of honor, with out the dalmatic, basically an assistant in choir dress, who flanks the celebrant for the whole liturgy. Duties including sitting next to him, handing things to him, etc. Basically a personal assistant. My main criticism of this method, is that it turns the MC in to a quasi deacon of honor.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SMda7rhxvKI/AAAAAAAABpM/Xzi_iRqnC4s/s1600-h/popecardinalswv9.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SMda7rhxvKI/AAAAAAAABpM/Xzi_iRqnC4s/s320/popecardinalswv9.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5244260272439409826" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;The second Method is the floater. It is found in the old ceremonial. The MC has no fixed roll, hiding in the shadows, making sure things are done, giving orders and directing things. When required he takes the deacons place, such as in the Missa Cantata.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The final method is modeled on the old assistant priest. The highest ranking member of the bishop's house hold. A priest, basically vested in surplice, amice and cope. The Mc emulates him, he follows the celebrant, but not as his side, he stands rather then sits near the celebrant, he incenses him when required (the deacon not being there), he assists with the boat (again in the absence of the deacon) and assists with the missal.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SMddKVuDwpI/AAAAAAAABpU/E2eAHflRvms/s1600-h/dssc_0099_jpg.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SMddKVuDwpI/AAAAAAAABpU/E2eAHflRvms/s320/dssc_0099_jpg.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5244262723306635922" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In short we have three diffrent roles and or styles of MCing, the floater, the assistant deacon and the assitant priest. Depending on the level of Mass, the MC takes one or up to all three of these roles. I as an MC find myself constantly switching between the three, depending on the situtation. With the removal of deacons of honour and the assitant priest in the pontifical form of the ordinary form, the MC frequently finds himself assuming their roles not only in the solemn and sung form of the Mass, but even the pontifical form (I found myself doing that on more then one occasion). I wonder what the 8th century MC, found himself doing?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-3234512489259071277?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/3234512489259071277/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=3234512489259071277&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/3234512489259071277'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/3234512489259071277'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/09/master-of-ceremonies.html' title='The Master of Ceremonies'/><author><name>Roman433</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SMda7rhxvKI/AAAAAAAABpM/Xzi_iRqnC4s/s72-c/popecardinalswv9.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-8091234631643137120</id><published>2008-09-06T11:02:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2008-09-06T12:08:45.611+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Mediator Dei</title><content type='html'>I think that probably the greatest writings on the sacred Liturgy in the 20th century was the encyclical &lt;a href="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xii/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xii_enc_20111947_mediator-dei_en.html"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Mediator Dei&lt;/em&gt; &lt;/a&gt;promulgated by Pope Pius XII a little over 60 years ago on 20 november 1947. I strongly recommend our readers to read it from cover to cover as it comments upon the developments in the 20th century liturgical movement. I have pulled out some excerpts which are even more relevant 60 years later, and bolded the really pertinent bits.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;7-8 Observations on the Liturgical Movement but problems with Liturgical education&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;7. But while We derive no little satisfaction from the wholesome results of the movement just described, duty obliges Us to give serious attention to this "revival" as it is advocated in some quarters, and to take proper steps to preserve it at the outset from excess or outright perversion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;8. Indeed, though we are sorely grieved to note, on the one hand, that &lt;strong&gt;there are places where the spirit, understanding or practice of the sacred liturgy is defective, or all but inexistent&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt;(mmm very close to home in Brisbane)&lt;/span&gt; We observe with considerable anxiety and some misgiving, that elsewhere certain enthusiasts, over-eager in their search for novelty, are straying beyond the path of sound doctrine and prudence. Not seldom, in fact, they interlard their plans and hopes for a revival of the sacred liturgy with principles which compromise this holiest of causes in theory or practice, and sometimes even taint it with errors touching Catholic faith and ascetical doctrine.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;23-25 The relationship of inerior and exterior worship and the dangers of mere rubricism.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;23. The worship rendered by the Church to God must be, in its entirety, interior as well as exterior. It is exterior because the nature of man as a composite of body and soul requires it to be so. Likewise, because divine Providence has disposed that "while we recognize God visibly, we may be drawn by Him to love of things unseen."[26] Every impulse of the human heart, besides, expresses itself naturally through the senses; and the worship of God, being the concern not merely of individuals but of the whole community of mankind, must therefore be social as well. This obviously it cannot be unless religious activity is also organized and manifested outwardly. Exterior worship, finally, reveals and emphasizes the unity of the mystical Body, feeds new fuel to its holy zeal, fortifies its energy, intensifies its action day by day: "for although the ceremonies themselves can claim no perfection or sanctity in their won right, they are, nevertheless, the outward acts of religion, designed to rouse the heart, like signals of a sort, to veneration of the sacred realities, and to raise the mind to meditation on the supernatural. They serve to foster piety, to kindle the flame of charity, to increase our faith and deepen our devotion. They provide instruction for simple folk, decoration for divine worship, continuity of religious practice. They make it possible to tell genuine Christians from their false or heretical counterparts."[27]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;24. But the chief element of divine worship must be interior. For we must always live in Christ and give ourselves to Him completely, so that in Him, with Him and through Him the heavenly Father may be duly glorified. The sacred liturgy requires, however, that both of these elements be intimately linked with each another. This recommendation the liturgy itself is careful to repeat, as often as it prescribes an exterior act of worship. Thus we are urged, when there is question of fasting, for example, "to give interior effect to our outward observance."[28] Otherwise religion clearly amounts to mere formalism, without meaning and without content. You recall, Venerable Brethren, how the divine Master expels from the sacred temple, as unworthily to worship there, people who pretend to honor God with nothing but neat and wellturned phrases, like actors in a theater, and think themselves perfectly capable of working out their eternal salvation without plucking their inveterate vices from their hearts.[29] It is, therefore, the keen desire of the Church that all of the faithful kneel at the feet of the Redeemer to tell Him how much they venerate and love Him. She wants them present in crowds - like the children whose joyous cries accompanied His entry into Jerusalem - to sing their hymns and chant their song of praise and thanksgiving to Him who is King of Kings and Source of every blessing. She would have them move their lips in prayer, sometimes in petition, sometimes in joy and gratitude, and in this way experience His merciful aid and power like the apostles at the lakeside of Tiberias, or abandon themselves totally, like Peter on Mount Tabor, to mystic union with the eternal God in contemplation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;25. It is an error, consequently, and a mistake to think of the sacred liturgy as merely the outward or visible part of divine worship or as an ornamental ceremonial. No less erroneous is the notion that it consists solely in a list of laws and prescriptions according to which the ecclesiastical hierarchy orders the sacred rites to be performed.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;57-60 Only the Sovereign Pontiff has the right to change the Liturgy&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;57. The Church has further used her right of control over liturgical observance to protect the purity of divine worship against abuse from dangerous and imprudent innovations introduced by private individuals and particular churches.&lt;/strong&gt; Thus it came about - during the 16th century, when usages and customs of this sort had become increasingly prevalent and exaggerated, and when private initiative in matters liturgical threatened to compromise the integrity of faith and devotion, to the great advantage of heretics and further spread of their errors - that in the year 1588, Our predecessor Sixtus V of immortal memory established the Sacred Congregation of Rites, charged with the defense of the legitimate rites of the Church and with the prohibition of any spurious innovation.[48] This body fulfills even today the official function of supervision and legislation with regard to all matters touching the sacred liturgy. &lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt;(this function is now carried out by the Congregation for Divine Worshop and the Sacraments&lt;/span&gt;).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;62. Assuredly it is a wise and most laudable thing to return in spirit and affection to the sources of the sacred liturgy. For research in this field of study, by tracing it back to its origins, contributes valuable assistance towards a more thorough and careful investigation of the significance of feast-days, and of the meaning of the texts and sacred ceremonies employed on their occasion. But it is neither wise nor laudable to reduce everything to antiquity by every possible device. Thus, to cite some instances, one would be straying from the straight path were he to wish the altar restored to its primitive tableform; were he to want black excluded as a color for the liturgical vestments; were he to forbid the use of sacred images and statues in Churches; were he to order the crucifix so designed that the divine Redeemer's body shows no trace of His cruel sufferings; and lastly were he to disdain and reject polyphonic music or singing in parts, even where it conforms to regulations issued by the Holy See.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;63. Clearly no sincere Catholic can refuse to accept the formulation of Christian doctrine more recently elaborated and proclaimed as dogmas by the Church, under the inspiration and guidance of the Holy Spirit with abundant fruit for souls, because it pleases him to hark back to the old formulas. No more can any Catholic in his right senses repudiate existing legislation of the Church to revert to prescriptions based on the earliest sources of canon law. Just as obviously unwise and mistaken is the zeal of one who in matters liturgical would go back to the rites and usage of antiquity, discarding the new patterns introduced by disposition of divine Providence to meet the changes of circumstances and situation. &lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt;(What he says here is that there is limited scope to go back to what the early Christians did because the church has simply moved on and dogma has evolved).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;58. It follows from this that the Sovereign Pontiff alone enjoys the right to recognize and establish any practice touching the worship of God, to introduce and approve new rites, as also to modify those he judges to require modification.[50] Bishops, for their part, have the right and duty carefully to watch over the exact observance of the prescriptions of the sacred canons respecting divine worship.[51] Private individuals, therefore, even though they be clerics, may not be left to decide for themselves in these holy and venerable matters, involving as they do the religious life of Christian society along with the exercise of the priesthood of Jesus Christ and worship of God; concerned as they are with the honor due to the Blessed Trinity, the Word Incarnate and His august mother and the other saints, and with the salvation of souls as well. For the same reason no private person has any authority to regulate external practices of this kind, which are intimately bound up with Church discipline and with the order, unity and concord of the Mystical Body and frequently even with the integrity of Catholic faith itself.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;59. The Church is without question a living organism, and as an organism, in respect of the sacred liturgy also, she grows, matures, develops, adapts and accommodates herself to temporal needs and circumstances, provided only that the integrity of her doctrine be safeguarded. This notwithstanding, &lt;strong&gt;the temerity and daring of those who introduce novel liturgical practices, or call for the revival of obsolete rites out of harmony with prevailing laws and rubrics, deserve severe reproof. It has pained Us grievously to note, Venerable Brethren, that such innovations are actually being introduced, not merely in minor details but in matters of major importance as well. &lt;/strong&gt;We instance, in point of fact, those who make use of the vernacular in the celebration of the august eucharistic sacrifice; those who transfer certain feast-days - which have been appointed and established after mature deliberation - to other dates; those, finally, who delete from the prayerbooks approved for public use the sacred texts of the Old Testament, deeming them little suited and inopportune for modern times.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;60. The use of the Latin language, customary in a considerable portion of the Church, is a manifest and beautiful sign of unity, as well as an effective antidote for any corruption of doctrinal truth. In spite of this, the use of the mother tongue in connection with several of the rites may be of much advantage to the people. But the Apostolic See alone is empowered to grant this permission &lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt;(which it did later under Paul VI). &lt;/span&gt;It is forbidden, therefore, to take any action whatever of this nature without having requested and obtained such consent, since the sacred liturgy, as We have said, is entirely subject to the discretion and approval of the Holy See. &lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt;(Pius says - if you want to use English - ask first).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;83. For there are today, Venerable Brethren, those who, approximating to errors long since condemned[82] teach that in the New Testament by the word "priesthood" is meant only that priesthood which applies to all who have been baptized; and hold that the command by which Christ gave power to His apostles at the Last Supper to do what He Himself had done, applies directly to the entire Christian Church, and that thence, and thence only, arises the hierarchical priesthood. Hence they assert that the people are possessed of a true priestly power, while the priest only acts in virtue of an office committed to him by the community. Wherefore, they look on the eucharistic sacrifice as a "concelebration," in the literal meaning of that term, and consider it more fitting that priests should "concelebrate" with the people present than that they should offer the sacrifice privately when the people are absent. &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt;(Here Pius hits upon the predominant error in the modern church, an error which seems to propogate like some weed currently around the Brisbane Archdiocese).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;93  The Participation of the Congregation&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;93. Now it is clear that the faithful offer the sacrifice by the hands of the priest from the fact that the minister at the altar, in offering a sacrifice in the name of all His members, represents Christ, the Head of the Mystical Body. Hence the whole Church can rightly be said to offer up the victim through Christ. But the conclusion that the people offer the sacrifice with the priest himself is not based on the fact that, being members of the Church no less than the priest himself, they perform a visible liturgical rite; for this is the privilege only of the minister who has been divinely appointed to this office: rather it &lt;strong&gt;is based on the fact that the people unite their hearts in praise, impetration, expiation and thanksgiving with prayers or intention of the priest, even of the High Priest himself&lt;/strong&gt;, so that in the one and same offering of the victim and according to a visible sacerdotal rite, they may be presented to God the Father. It is obviously necessary that the external sacrificial rite should, of its very nature, signify the internal worship of the heart. Now the sacrifice of the New Law signifies that supreme worship by which the principal Offerer himself, who is Christ, and, in union with Him and through Him, all the members of the Mystical Body pay God the honor and reverence that are due to Him.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;114 On Holy Communion&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;114. They, therefore, err from the path of truth who do not want to have Masses celebrated unless the faithful communicate; and those are still more in error who, in holding that it is altogether necessary for the faithful to receive holy communion as well as the priest, put forward the captious argument that here there is question not of a sacrifice merely, but of a sacrifice and a supper of brotherly union, &lt;strong&gt;and consider the general communion of all present as the culminating point of the whole celebration&lt;/strong&gt;. &lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt;(Note to Elizabeth Harrington et al)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;115. Now it cannot be over-emphasized that the eucharistic sacrifice of its very nature is the unbloody immolation of the divine Victim, which is made manifest in a mystical manner by the separation of the sacred species and by their oblation to the eternal Father. &lt;strong&gt;Holy communion pertains to the integrity of the Mass and to the partaking of the august sacrament; but while it is obligatory for the priest who says the Mass, it is only something earnestly recommended to the faithful.&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt;(This is a bit different to the modern practice of everyone must have Holy Communion because its a sign of unity).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#009900;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;______________________________________________&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is a lot more treasure in &lt;em&gt;Mediator Dei&lt;/em&gt; that is too voluminous to describe here, and its dangerous to pick bits out of documents. So READ IT all.  Other interesting things to note are:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Pius points to the amendments to liturgical books that have resulted from better study of the liturgy&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;the faithful participate fully in the Mass not as silent spectators but through singing the responses and the ordinary&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Holy Communion should be from hosts consecrated at that Mass.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When I mentioned &lt;em&gt;Mediator Dei&lt;/em&gt; to a local seminarian some time ago, he had no idea what I was talking about. I might as well be talking about some obscure passage in the Hindu Vedas. &lt;em&gt;Sacrosanctum Concilium&lt;/em&gt; was the next great liturgical document, but takes almost all of its context from &lt;em&gt;Mediator Dei&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-8091234631643137120?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/8091234631643137120/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=8091234631643137120&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8091234631643137120'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8091234631643137120'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/09/mediator-dei.html' title='Mediator Dei'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-2408191071402591108</id><published>2008-08-16T09:49:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2008-08-16T10:23:20.734+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Feminism in the Ancient Roman Rite</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SKYa1xW-lRI/AAAAAAAAAJY/N6ar0ma9rU8/s1600-h/GENTILESCHI_Judith.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5234901127949882642" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; CURSOR: hand; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SKYa1xW-lRI/AAAAAAAAAJY/N6ar0ma9rU8/s400/GENTILESCHI_Judith.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;Looking at my 1962 Missal for the Feast of the Assumption, I was struck by one of the most feminist passages in the Missal of John XXIII, which is missing from the from the modern Lectionary.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;from the book of Judith 13. 22-25; 15; 10&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Blessed art thou O daughter, by the Lord the most high God, above all women upon the earth. Blessed be the Lord who made heaven and earth, who hath directed thee to cutting off the head of the prince of our enemies. Because he hath so magnified the thy name this day that thy praise shall not depart out of the mouth of men who shall be mindful of the power of the Lord....Thou art the glory of jerusalem, thou art the joy of israel, thou art the honour of our people.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;The painting is the Naples version of "Judith Slaying Holofernes". I have seen this painting when it came to Sydney in 2004, and the original, with the figures life size, comes over a lot more disturbing than when you see an electronic copy. It was meant to shock when it was painted in 1620, and it is still shocking in the 21st century. That is a sign of great art.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mind you the reading from the book of Revelations in the modern rite about the woman of the sun is probably more relevant, but I assume that the compiler of the old lectionary wanted to emphasise the continuity of great women through history, and that Judith was a precurser to Mary in driving out evil from the midst of the people of God. This is a good reason, as I have mentioned before of keeping the two lectionaries side by side, equally valid.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.allposters.com/View_HighZoomResPop.asp?apn=1517310&amp;amp;imgloc=14-1456-1JRR000Z.jpg&amp;amp;imgwidth=670&amp;amp;imgheight=894"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-2408191071402591108?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/2408191071402591108/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=2408191071402591108&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/2408191071402591108'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/2408191071402591108'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/08/feminism-in-ancient-roman-rite.html' title='Feminism in the Ancient Roman Rite'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SKYa1xW-lRI/AAAAAAAAAJY/N6ar0ma9rU8/s72-c/GENTILESCHI_Judith.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-3236212687571873377</id><published>2008-08-14T21:21:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2008-08-14T21:34:38.778+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Our Cathedral</title><content type='html'>If you noticed in the previous post, the presence of an additional priest. This priest is a Polish Capuchin who is currently working on the Ukraine. I had the privilege of guessing him after WYD. Being a tourist, he of coarse took a lot of photos, thus I have decided to share a few sights of Brisbane with our readers.&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKQXU2lK4LI/AAAAAAAABok/YMA3dHMBJJE/s1600-h/IMG_0979.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKQXU2lK4LI/AAAAAAAABok/YMA3dHMBJJE/s320/IMG_0979.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5234334313927598258" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKQXVBLTPrI/AAAAAAAABos/qNwOUhPprCM/s1600-h/IMG_1009.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKQXVBLTPrI/AAAAAAAABos/qNwOUhPprCM/s320/IMG_1009.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5234334316771884722" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKQXVX7b4NI/AAAAAAAABo0/z7Bloq3nIZg/s1600-h/IMG_0981.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKQXVX7b4NI/AAAAAAAABo0/z7Bloq3nIZg/s320/IMG_0981.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5234334322879357138" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKQXVzFCHMI/AAAAAAAABo8/t8Z9B8QS3L8/s1600-h/IMG_1017.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKQXVzFCHMI/AAAAAAAABo8/t8Z9B8QS3L8/s320/IMG_1017.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5234334330167368898" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKQXWKt4oVI/AAAAAAAABpE/61LOF8TqEuo/s1600-h/IMG_1030.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKQXWKt4oVI/AAAAAAAABpE/61LOF8TqEuo/s320/IMG_1030.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5234334336512729426" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-3236212687571873377?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/3236212687571873377/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=3236212687571873377&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/3236212687571873377'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/3236212687571873377'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/08/our-cathedral.html' title='Our Cathedral'/><author><name>Roman433</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKQXU2lK4LI/AAAAAAAABok/YMA3dHMBJJE/s72-c/IMG_0979.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-3296195620596492176</id><published>2008-08-14T12:58:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2008-08-14T13:18:15.851+10:00</updated><title type='text'>First Friday, Frist Saturday, post WYD</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKOgehkMUBI/AAAAAAAABnU/EbGGDjeqV2w/s1600-h/DSCF3055.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKOgehkMUBI/AAAAAAAABnU/EbGGDjeqV2w/s320/DSCF3055.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5234203638201339922" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKOge9nykoI/AAAAAAAABnc/GhhsuJ-zayc/s1600-h/DSCF3069.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKOge9nykoI/AAAAAAAABnc/GhhsuJ-zayc/s320/DSCF3069.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5234203645732622978" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKOgfeHOAAI/AAAAAAAABnk/pPQcRVF6T3Y/s1600-h/DSCF3076.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKOgfeHOAAI/AAAAAAAABnk/pPQcRVF6T3Y/s320/DSCF3076.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5234203654454378498" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKOgfnrY4yI/AAAAAAAABns/Y8lbDjZRzHo/s1600-h/DSCF3109.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKOgfnrY4yI/AAAAAAAABns/Y8lbDjZRzHo/s320/DSCF3109.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5234203657022006050" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKOggPaCI1I/AAAAAAAABn0/ViK4LIGKmjo/s1600-h/DSCF3119.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKOggPaCI1I/AAAAAAAABn0/ViK4LIGKmjo/s320/DSCF3119.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5234203667686630226" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKOh_llWKyI/AAAAAAAABn8/PCA3lFcO7t4/s1600-h/DSCF3159.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKOh_llWKyI/AAAAAAAABn8/PCA3lFcO7t4/s320/DSCF3159.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5234205305727232802" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKOiAJon8fI/AAAAAAAABoE/lbNrBZUCxyg/s1600-h/DSCF3163.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKOiAJon8fI/AAAAAAAABoE/lbNrBZUCxyg/s320/DSCF3163.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5234205315404657138" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKOiAbGfBiI/AAAAAAAABoM/JuU0cqFXNqM/s1600-h/DSCF3197.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKOiAbGfBiI/AAAAAAAABoM/JuU0cqFXNqM/s320/DSCF3197.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5234205320093304354" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKOiAzCJrLI/AAAAAAAABoU/lswf0lceAzc/s1600-h/DSCF3241.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKOiAzCJrLI/AAAAAAAABoU/lswf0lceAzc/s320/DSCF3241.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5234205326517578930" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKOiBWgVX-I/AAAAAAAABoc/fbHiHsupQ4Q/s1600-h/DSCF3260.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKOiBWgVX-I/AAAAAAAABoc/fbHiHsupQ4Q/s320/DSCF3260.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5234205336039415778" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-3296195620596492176?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/3296195620596492176/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=3296195620596492176&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/3296195620596492176'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/3296195620596492176'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/08/first-friday-frist-saturday-post-wyd.html' title='First Friday, Frist Saturday, post WYD'/><author><name>Roman433</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKOgehkMUBI/AAAAAAAABnU/EbGGDjeqV2w/s72-c/DSCF3055.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-4057050814878977683</id><published>2008-08-12T20:08:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2008-08-12T20:33:20.571+10:00</updated><title type='text'>A Challenging Reform: Realising the Vision of the Liturgical Renewal 1963-1975</title><content type='html'>Today during my lunchbreak I popped into St Pauls Bookshop and had a quick look at the book by Archbishop Piero Marini (the former Papal Master of Ceremonies) called "A Challenging Reform - Realising the Vision of the Liturgical Renewal 1963-1975".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This has been reviewed by a number of people including &lt;a href="http://thenewliturgicalmovement.blogspot.com/2007/12/dr-alcuin-reid-review-piero-marinis.html"&gt;Dr Alcuin Reid&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://thenewliturgicalmovement.blogspot.com/2008/02/george-weigel-reviews-marinis.html"&gt;George Weigel&lt;/a&gt;, and you can find their opinions of it here.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you are into meetings and committees and more meetings and sub-committees and working groups, this is the book for you. Overall, from the small sections that I read, I agree with other reviewers that it is a complete yawn. Also I did pick up as reported by other reviewers a strong element of "goodies" (the Consilium) and baddies (the Curia); or as one reviewer put it "cowboys and Indians Vatican style".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is significant that the book ends in 1975, for the following year that was when Archbishop Bugnini, the secretary of the Consilium for the Implementation of the Constitution on the Liturgy and Piero Marini's boss was sent to Iran as Papal nuncio. This was seen as a dismissal by Pope Paul VI.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you want to read it, I am sure it will be on special soon.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-4057050814878977683?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/4057050814878977683/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=4057050814878977683&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/4057050814878977683'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/4057050814878977683'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/08/challenging-reform-realising-vision-of.html' title='A Challenging Reform: Realising the Vision of the Liturgical Renewal 1963-1975'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-6616219259557366472</id><published>2008-08-12T18:07:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2008-08-12T18:14:42.547+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Juventutem Melbourne</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKFFJY2mkcI/AAAAAAAABms/0GLmahGk21U/s1600-h/DSC_0348.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKFFJY2mkcI/AAAAAAAABms/0GLmahGk21U/s320/DSC_0348.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5233540269573837250" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKFFJpU7VeI/AAAAAAAABm0/_J3JW7JhJO4/s1600-h/DSC_0356.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKFFJpU7VeI/AAAAAAAABm0/_J3JW7JhJO4/s320/DSC_0356.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5233540273995994594" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Above are photos from the feast of St Peter and Paul. These photos showcase the Schola of the Holy spirit's Cassocks. At first, when I heard there cassocks would be red, I dislike the idea, thinking of the bright red you so frequently see in Europe. Fr Tattersall, surprised me with the actual shade he had chosen for them, a very nice shade I must say. The cassocks themselves are sarum in design with a bright red trim.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKFFJxDTMII/AAAAAAAABnM/oLubYDLunjw/s1600-h/DSC_0266_jpg.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKFFJxDTMII/AAAAAAAABnM/oLubYDLunjw/s320/DSC_0266_jpg.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5233540276069544066" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKFFJ8KWvqI/AAAAAAAABnE/uP0lPlzbPiQ/s1600-h/DSC_0263_jpg.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKFFJ8KWvqI/AAAAAAAABnE/uP0lPlzbPiQ/s320/DSC_0263_jpg.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5233540279051927202" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKFFJ94E5TI/AAAAAAAABm8/uOe2yAJWLyg/s1600-h/DSC_0279_JPG.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKFFJ94E5TI/AAAAAAAABm8/uOe2yAJWLyg/s320/DSC_0279_JPG.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5233540279512130866" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Above are photos from the solemn vespers from the final day of the program in Melbourne.  Vespers was a new experience for some of the pilgrims. A triumphant pontifical benediction finished off the day.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-6616219259557366472?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/6616219259557366472/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=6616219259557366472&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/6616219259557366472'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/6616219259557366472'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/08/juventutem-melbourne.html' title='Juventutem Melbourne'/><author><name>Roman433</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SKFFJY2mkcI/AAAAAAAABms/0GLmahGk21U/s72-c/DSC_0348.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-2573462631650916223</id><published>2008-08-10T17:12:00.005+10:00</published><updated>2008-08-10T22:25:21.825+10:00</updated><title type='text'>A Rose by any other Name</title><content type='html'>As of the recent rush of anonymous postings, I have disallowed anonymous postings on this blog.&lt;br /&gt;If you wish to makes a statement, ask a question, make an observation please take up a more permanent Identity and I will be more then happy to allow your comments. If I can't stand by what I said, then I don't say it at all, that's also my rule for the blog. Plus I want to flush out all those Clergy, that want to remain anonymous...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At the end of the year, I will stop actively maintaining this blog. I have learn't to keep my opinions to myself. Stephan here will hopefully continue the blog.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-2573462631650916223?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/2573462631650916223/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=2573462631650916223&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/2573462631650916223'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/2573462631650916223'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/08/rose-by-any-other-name.html' title='A Rose by any other Name'/><author><name>Roman433</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-5329923006663518102</id><published>2008-08-09T21:29:00.004+10:00</published><updated>2008-08-09T22:33:38.763+10:00</updated><title type='text'>St Marys Cathedral</title><content type='html'>&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SJ2AMEwapWI/AAAAAAAAAJI/EjD6ATks4ik/s1600-h/IGP3416.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5232479286997984610" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; CURSOR: hand; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SJ2AMEwapWI/AAAAAAAAAJI/EjD6ATks4ik/s400/IGP3416.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;The re -arrangements to the sanctuary of St Marys Cathedral in Sydney pose a number of questions and challenges concerning both the modern and ancient form of the Roman Rite. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;Overall I think that the renovations gave a good result. Gone is the temporary wooden table which was planted in the sanctuary in Cardnial Gilroy's time about 1970, which you can see on the &lt;a href="http://www.pictureaustralia.org/apps/pictureaustralia?action=PADisplay&amp;amp;mode=display&amp;amp;rs=resultset-1395814&amp;amp;no=102"&gt;Picture Australia&lt;/a&gt; website.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;The Altar first rainsed some controversy back in in November 2006, when the plans were first announced. The &lt;a href="http://thenewliturgicalmovement.blogspot.com/2006/11/blogosphere-controversy-over-cathedral_28.html"&gt;New Liturgical Movement&lt;/a&gt; reported that the new Altar was not going to be able to be used for ad-orientem celebration because of the raising of it on steps at the back of it. This would have gone against good practice as Abp Elliot in his excellent &lt;em&gt;Ceremonies of the Modern Roman Rite&lt;/em&gt; recommends that the Altar be arranged suitable for celebration in either direction. Unfortunately the pictures of what was proposed were deleted. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;It seems that the design was revised, and the Altar is able to be used for celebration in either versus-populum or ad-orientem forms. If there is a future Pontifical Solemn Mass in the Extraordinary Form, either this Altar can be used or the old High Altar. Personally I prefer that the new Altar be used for Extraordinary Form celebrations as the High Altar, in my opinion is too far away from the congregation. The old High Altar is also surprisingly small, which helps to make it disappear into the reredos. This does not preclude the old High Altar being once more used for celebration, but it may be more approapriate for small celebrations where the congregation and schola could fit into the choir stalls. (Alternatively one of the side Altars such as the magnificent St Patricks's Altar could be used).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;Here is a very old photo which I found in an architectural website of the High Altar in its origianl form.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5232493913388392210" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; CURSOR: hand; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SJ2NfcTonxI/AAAAAAAAAJQ/6SSX-F2Ry2U/s400/cbd007f.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Btw gone also is the cardinal's comfy armchair whihc has been superseded by an elegant gothic throne.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-5329923006663518102?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/5329923006663518102/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=5329923006663518102&amp;isPopup=true' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/5329923006663518102'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/5329923006663518102'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/08/st-marys-cathedral.html' title='St Marys Cathedral'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SJ2AMEwapWI/AAAAAAAAAJI/EjD6ATks4ik/s72-c/IGP3416.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-894566247064972641</id><published>2008-08-06T23:35:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2008-08-06T23:55:50.409+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Intresting day</title><content type='html'>Today, was a very poor day, for myself. It's one redeeming feature, or should i say, it's figure of salvation was to meet and see, one of the men who I look up to and see as a constant inspiration.  Br Richard John Green, OSPE, now monk and seminarian, studying in the eternal city herself. Br Richard , was once the Master of Ceremonies to the Shrine of the Black Madonna, Penrose Park.&lt;br /&gt;He Would come down, every major occasion, such as the 13th and would MC the Mass. Penrose Park, being a major shrine, that was frequently visited by Major prelates and prelates in general.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Br Richard was an inspiration to me, being only at the age of 16, Richard was already an accomplished MC. I served under him, and I am proud of it. Today I am doing, much the same of what he was doing. Br Richard was an inspiration to me as a teenager, a liturgist and as an MC, now he is an inspiration to me as a seminarian.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I find it amazing, that today, I am, much in the same situation as he is, truly it is amazing. God let me meet him now, after so many years, when I've grown so much. Next time we meet surely will be interesting.  He's also taught me a few tricks, tricks that now i can fully appreciate, plus I got dibs on being the Master of Ceremonies of his ordination.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Truly God is wonderful.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-894566247064972641?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/894566247064972641/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=894566247064972641&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/894566247064972641'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/894566247064972641'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/08/intresting-day.html' title='Intresting day'/><author><name>Roman433</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-186360694296778855</id><published>2008-08-03T20:19:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2008-08-03T21:39:31.321+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Update</title><content type='html'>It is a busy time. I've had to take a week of school for world youth day, one day to recover from the Randwick flu and three days to act as an interpreter and guide for a Polish Capchucin who is currently staying with me. The blog is going a bit slow for a while, due to my hectic schedule, plus I have my studies and local commitments as well. I ask for your prayers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the mean time, here are a few photos from WYD.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp3.blogger.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SJWXdCDoXOI/AAAAAAAABmM/YklpjLKYqwM/s1600-h/_DSC1074_jpg.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp3.blogger.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SJWXdCDoXOI/AAAAAAAABmM/YklpjLKYqwM/s320/_DSC1074_jpg.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5230253067284798690" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp3.blogger.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SJWXdqk6xAI/AAAAAAAABmU/Xf-Zd4kyWmo/s1600-h/_DSC1338_jpg.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp3.blogger.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SJWXdqk6xAI/AAAAAAAABmU/Xf-Zd4kyWmo/s320/_DSC1338_jpg.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5230253078161835010" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp2.blogger.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SJWXdlw106I/AAAAAAAABmc/mZDftqb-86g/s1600-h/_DSC1571_jpg.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp2.blogger.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SJWXdlw106I/AAAAAAAABmc/mZDftqb-86g/s320/_DSC1571_jpg.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5230253076869665698" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp1.blogger.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SJWXdzpvbqI/AAAAAAAABmk/-agC24aoe60/s1600-h/dssc_0182_jpg.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp1.blogger.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SJWXdzpvbqI/AAAAAAAABmk/-agC24aoe60/s320/dssc_0182_jpg.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5230253080597982882" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-186360694296778855?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/186360694296778855/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=186360694296778855&amp;isPopup=true' title='14 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/186360694296778855'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/186360694296778855'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/08/update.html' title='Update'/><author><name>Roman433</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp3.blogger.com/_MslYEbpbvP8/SJWXdCDoXOI/AAAAAAAABmM/YklpjLKYqwM/s72-c/_DSC1074_jpg.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>14</thr:total></entry></feed>
