Sunday, August 03, 2008

Update

It is a busy time. I've had to take a week of school for world youth day, one day to recover from the Randwick flu and three days to act as an interpreter and guide for a Polish Capchucin who is currently staying with me. The blog is going a bit slow for a while, due to my hectic schedule, plus I have my studies and local commitments as well. I ask for your prayers.

In the mean time, here are a few photos from WYD.





14 comments:

IS said...

You are young... you have possibly yet to hear about the raging debate in Australian trad groups about the wearing of copes by laymen...

I wouldn't if I were you...

Anonymous said...

"At solemn functions, when the Bishop and cannons are vested, these four chaplains may wear, over their surplices, copes of the color of the Office" Pg 192 The ceremonies of the Roman Rite Described, Adrian Fortescue, J.B. O'Connell & Alcuin Reid OSB

The Werid One said...

I for one hate laymen in Copes. There laymen, not clerics, nothing entitles them to wear copes. Some of the would be lay clerics here in Australia, run around in all sorts of clerical gear.

During the Juventutem program, a Layman was sub deacon during almost all the pontifical functions, whilst there was a whole choir full of priest. It's just not liturgy.

Anonymous said...

I don't see what the big deal is. It's just a cope, it's not like he's running around in a chasuble or a stole, or heaven forbid wearing a biretta.

Werid One said...

What really burns me up is the fact, that during WYD, the Latin Mass group, put up a hopeless show of non traditional vestments. Everything was long and over sized. That Chasuble for Christ's sake is a bloody poncho with bits of material stuck to it. The servers were in albs with bits of material stapled to it, not what I call tradition. Finally, SERVERS IN ALBS!!!!! Heaven forbid, they should be in cassocks and surplices... ALBS ARE ONLY FOR PRIESTS!!!

IS said...

Thanks to Mr. Sternbeck....

http://bp2.blogger.com/_A5W-t7caxb0/Rgcep-XWmhI/AAAAAAAAAAM/K5scXp82XLg/s1600-h/EDS%231.jpg

Anonymous said...

I do believe the servers there are familiarii and not cantors. IS, get your facts right, before you go jumping down people's throats, it's people like you that are f****ing up the Church...

Joshua said...

What extraordinarily rude people have started posting on your blog!

I for one would delete such vile remarks, and shew them the door, if they dared say anything so impolite on mine.

It shews gross ignorance to rant about the supposed horrors of apparelled albs and medieval vestments - we're not timewarped permanently in the 1950's.

And I say this, BTW, as one who likes the counter-reformation look of the later Roman vestments, and the cassock-and-surplice for servers, which is what I'm used to; but given the extremely generous provision of very sumptuous vestments for the liturgical solemnities, should one not rather be thankful for what has been thoughtfully provided and lovingly produced, rather than uncharitably pick and snipe?

Traditionalists are notorious for their lack of charity: but how uniquely repellent to criticise the blogger for the temerity to gain spiritual joy from serving Mass!

(And the legitimate points made - as regarding the ersatz subdeacon, for instance, or the wearing of copes, both of which BTW were common occurrences in times past, and so can hardly be called untraditional, if somewhat unrubrical - could have been discussed with moderation.)

Nemo said...

I believe instituted cantors, as lay clerics, can licitly wear copes.

'The only happy traditionalist is an unhappy traditionalist.'

It's silly, isn't it.

Anonymous said...

What the hell is a lay cleric?

Roman433 said...

Please, do keep, a certain spirit of charity with in these comments, or I will be forced, to harshly moderate them.

Nemo said...

For the role of lay clerks, read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lay_clerk

Just as servers can wear albs and apparels in place of members of the clergy, so cantors can wear copes in place of clergy who can sing...

Anonymous said...

I normally like to leave the comments alone and just read the posts, however, here're my thoughts:

I have seen you serve Masses and:
Firstly, you ARE still very young, and from your posts, you have yet to learn a lot of things about liturgy before you can boast yourself as a good MC, and definitely, a liturgist (you're quite far from this one yet!). A mere understanding in the choreography is not enough, but the history and meanings of every act.

HOWEVER, I must also comment on how wonderful it is to see a young person like you, who are so interested in tradition and is determined to make changes in the current bizzare liturgies! GOOD ON YOU!! :)

With regards to copes, albs etc... I personally believe that whether the server wears cassock + surplice, or alb, is both fine, just feel lucky that they're not serving Mass in shorts and t-shirts! I'll reserve my comments on Copes, I like them, but one must think about seniority before putting them on. Maybe you could wait till you're more established in the liturgy and perhaps (not sure if you have, so pardon me) been made either an acolyte or cantor?

You're doing a great job here!! But do reflect on what I said above. Are you trying too hard to proof yourself too early? or do you really have a firm understanding in the liturgy that a good MC and liturgist (not many out there) have.

Roman433 said...

I have grown a lot since the early days of the blog, I now longer boast about being a great MC. True I do have a lot to learn.

It's interesting to see how many people are commenting about this post. The only reason I wore the cope, is because the MC, assigned me as a familiarii, far be it from me to argue with the MC and demand to not wear the cope.

I post very infrequently, I also write very infrequently, for the very reason people will see things as boasting.

Finally, i am not the only young man out there being an MC. Dn Mannes, Br Richard Green and John Paul Bilecski, all started out as young as I am, but I certainly can not compare to them.

"Let no one look down upon you because of your age"

People wonder why i do not post and now you know.